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Bryce Young and this offense cannot coexist. One of them has to change.


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For the better part of 30 years, the Carolina Panthers offense has been fairly straightforward. It's Air Coryell, with a big emphasis on power running and deep passes, which combine to keep the defense honest. This is why quarterbacks as varied as Steve Beueurlein, Jake Delhomme, and Cam Newton have all seen success here. It's why this team looked half-decent down the stretch with Sam Darnold and Donta Foreman.

Bryce Young literally cannot do this. He doesn't have the physical skillset to run Air Coryell. He is a West Coast passer that ideally will be targeting with surgical strikes (even if he lacks the arm strength to zip to a receiver quickly) in the 10-20 yard range. This is why he's so good with Thielen. Young would probably have chemistry with DJ Moore or CmC, too. We are trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. He doesn't have the arm strength to routinely throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field.

In order for this team to succeed, we will either need to ditch Bryce Young, or rework the entire offense into a West Coast scheme. Up to you to decide which is easier but this offense as-is simply cannot work because Young doesn't fit scheme at all

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Said this is another post but the whole pick reeks of Tepper watching mid 2010’s Brees highlights like some cuck hoping to replicate that bullshit franchise in NO.
 

Cam was the real fuging deal and that’s was a #1 pick should be like. Not this.

I will admit that Bryce has been put in a garbage situation but he has not shown the ability, with the exception of a few plays, to play out of structure. He hasn’t shown the arm talent to cheat looks and make things happen. 
 

It really doesn’t matter whether he’s a genius in his mind but can’t execute it on the field. And it’s not always about the right read. It’s about knowing you can make the throw and execute. 
 

He legitimately has to improve his arm strength or he will bust .

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7 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

 

Said this is another post but the whole pick reeks of Tepper watching mid 2010’s Brees highlights like some cuck hoping to replicate that bullshit franchise in NO.
 

Cam was the real fuging deal and that’s was a #1 pick should be like. Not this.

I will admit that Bryce has been put in a garbage situation but he has not shown the ability, with the exception of a few plays, to play out of structure. He hasn’t shown the arm talent to cheat looks and make things happen. 
 

It really doesn’t matter whether he’s a genius in his mind but can’t execute it on the field. And it’s not always about the right read. It’s about knowing you can make the throw and execute. 
 

He legitimately has to improve his arm strength or he will bust .

I don't think doing barbell curls will help him...as was once said by and old coach: "it is what it is"

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I don't mean to derail the thread OP. I'm curious about something... For those who think Bryce is a bust, but who also acknowledge that he has nothing around him, the main argument is that even with nothing around him, if he was "the guy" he'd show flashes of being "the guy".  This is a credible argument. 

What I'm curious about is, if Bryce had league average weapons, league average coaching, league average protection, where do you think he rank amoung QB's in your opinion? Now he's bottom 5. Would he still be bottom 5? Would he be about Jordan Love level? Do you think he'd perform well enough that you wouldnt be calling him a bust?

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2 minutes ago, emhoward said:

I don't mean to derail the thread OP. I'm curious about something... For those who think Bryce is a bust, but who also acknowledge that he has nothing around him, the main argument is that even with nothing around him, if he was "the guy" he'd show flashes of being "the guy".  This is a credible argument. 

What I'm curious about is, if Bryce had league average weapons, league average coaching, league average protection, where do you think he rank amoung QB's in your opinion? Now he's bottom 5. Would he still be bottom 5? Would he be about Jordan Love level? Do you think he'd perform well enough that you wouldnt be calling him a bust?

I think Jordan love is a fair comparison. Wouldnt lose you games and could maybe win you a few in the clutch but will never be a real threat to ever win anything more than a wild card playoff game.

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What the hell are you talking about buddy? This is a WCO. It’s the WCO Spread; similar to Philly, KC, and Jax. You don’t see much of the orginal WCO anymore, it’s mostly adapted into various sub sets. Shanahan probably runs the closest thing to the original WCO.

Also, Bryce Young wouldn’t fit the Air Coryell or the traditional Verical Power Run of Panther’s past teams. 1) it requires more drop back time and he is too short to make those across the middle while dropping back 2) It requires deeper throws and attacks the middle which he struggles at. 

 

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Frank sucks.  Frank’s O sucks.  And it can’t be argued he doesn’t coach guys up and put them in the best situation they could be in. 

that said, Bryce is what he is.  He was a low ceiling, high floor draft pick.   A bad franchise gave up a a draft haul and then some for that.  Which is dumb.  That doesn’t mean Bryce Young can’t be successful.   But he isn’t the type player you draft #1 overall and give up a haul unless you got the 49ers O and playcaller…..but even then you wouldn’t give up the farm for him or even draft him high. You just could win and have a good team with him, 

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What team that remotely needed a QB would not have taken Bryce Young in the top 5. 

None.  If the Texans had gotten the number 1 pick, it most likely would be Bryce in Houston.

People need to stop this armchair GM crap.  No college player is what he is in his rookie year.  Not Brady, not Mahomes, not Bryce, not any QB. 

No QB and this offense can coexist because the players don't fit the scheme and Frank won't change anything by more than 10 or 15%. 

Look at what worked today and during the year.  Power running.  Motion.  Heavy sets.  Extra protection.  PA.  OMG, we ran Duo a number of times and got great yards off of it.  

Our line, WR's and QB absolutely cannot even attempt to be any type of functional offensive unit if we can't pass protect.  Bryce get pressure on 40% of his drop backs.  Yet, we constantly go 5 wide and ask our line to hold up.  Maybe week 12 is where that suddenly works.

The drive where we scored today and the 1st drive when Brown took over the play calling should be our offensive. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

What team that remotely needed a QB would not have taken Bryce Young in the top 5. 

None.  If the Texans had gotten the number 1 pick, it most likely would be Bryce in Houston.

People need to stop this armchair GM crap.  No college player is what he is in his rookie year.  Not Brady, not Mahomes, not Bryce, not any QB. 

No QB and this offense can coexist because the players don't fit the scheme and Frank won't change anything by more than 10 or 15%. 

Look at what worked today and during the year.  Power running.  Motion.  Heavy sets.  Extra protection.  PA.  OMG, we ran Duo a number of times and got great yards off of it.  

Our line, WR's and QB absolutely cannot even attempt to be any type of functional offensive unit if we can't pass protect.  Bryce get pressure on 40% of his drop backs.  Yet, we constantly go 5 wide and ask our line to hold up.  Maybe week 12 is where that suddenly works.

The drive where we scored today and the 1st drive when Brown took over the play calling should be our offensive. 

 

 

A 17 play drive isn’t going to win you jack poo in the nfl that style is outdated 

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