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Bryce Young is historically bad, and he's regressing

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First half of the season (1-5):
137/213 (64%), 1,202 passing yards (200 per game, 5.6 yards per attempt), 7 TDs, 4 picks, 4 fumbles

Second half of the season (0-6):
107/204 (52.5%), 990 passing yards (165 per game, 4.8 yards per attempt), 2 TDs, 5 picks, 4 fumbles

This is putrid. I don't think keeping Bryce on the field is going to help him develop at this point, there has been no improvement through 12 games

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Far too much hype on this young fella.  Gross exaggeration and certainly not of his doing. This season is historically awful. As for offense it is as bad as any since the Panthers inaugural season.  The asterisk that will also be attached to Bryce will be the travesty of draft capital that was exchanged.  That albatross awaits the panthers off-season and NFL Draft. Tepper and Fitterer took the bait.  And there is no way a new coach can be commanded to live and die with Bryce. He and his staff will demand their own autonomy and rightfully so. 

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28 minutes ago, TN05 said:

First half of the season (1-5):
137/213 (64%), 1,202 passing yards (200 per game, 5.6 yards per attempt), 7 TDs, 4 picks, 4 fumbles

Second half of the season (0-6):
107/204 (52.5%), 990 passing yards (165 per game, 4.8 yards per attempt), 2 TDs, 5 picks, 4 fumbles

This is putrid. I don't think keeping Bryce on the field is going to help him develop at this point, there has been no improvement through 12 games

 

This is exactly what terrible OL play, bad scheme, and no receiver separation can do to a QB.

 

He already had "unconventional" footwork in the pocket; now he is much more sloppy and bails quickly.  He is constantly expecting pressure and his pocket awareness clock is out of skew.

He is forcing passes and not patient with developing plays.  He is checking behind his back on play action expecting to be hit.

 

He may have struggled even with things going well around him; it's impossible to tell.  But his environment has harmed his development tremendously.

 

They need to fix it this offseason with every $$$ and draft pick they have or he will be lost forever (and maybe he was always destined to fail?)

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25 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

 

This is exactly what terrible OL play, bad scheme, and no receiver separation can do to a QB.

 

He already had "unconventional" footwork in the pocket; now he is much more sloppy and bails quickly.  He is constantly expecting pressure and his pocket awareness clock is out of skew.

He is forcing passes and not patient with developing plays.  He is checking behind his back on play action expecting to be hit.

 

He may have struggled even with things going well around him; it's impossible to tell.  But his environment has harmed his development tremendously.

 

They need to fix it this offseason with every $$$ and draft pick they have or he will be lost forever (and maybe he was always destined to fail?)

I honestly think our offensive issues are more due to Bryce's issues than Bryce's issues are due to our offensive issues.

Hopefully that reads right.

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