Dan Morgan going for GM job

[MHS831]

While I am saying that Morgan should be considered, I am also aware that hiring from within is often a sign of insecurity.  Then again, at times it is like a used car transaction--the buyer is looking at all the cool features of the car while the seller is focused on the car's issues and problems.  I dunno.  However, I would give Morgan a chance.  He has solid references/track record and a decade of experience with 2 successful franchises.  I am not sure we will find better, but I do not know his shortcomings.

Someone made the point that his pizza business failed.  Morgan was a football player. not a pizza guru.  He was very cerebral, which means he is able to analyze his opponents tendencies and weaknesses/strengths.  I would not sell him short, but I would shop around first.  Keeping him on to oversee the transition is wise because it does not let him off the hook.

[MHS831]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Nah I hear you, but I am not taking it seriously if its just message board fodder, I just dont think its been "reported", but if its true its a good sign but as of now it doesnt move the needle at all for me in regards to him.   Fine interview him but interview others as well.  But if he was part of the trade and selection of bryce then he needs to go. 

Since he and Fitterer worked together in Seattle, it makes you wonder if they were not joined at the hip.  that is problematic, but it seems more likely that Morgan would engage with FItterer and not Tepper so much.  If Morgan did engage with Tepper, that might suggest that he did not feel that Fitterer was doing it and he needed to do so.   When I said "reportedly" I should have said "rumored"  because I meant that it has been stated--I assumed that anyone making such a statement has some knowledge of it, but yes, we have some truth stretchers on here.  "Alternative facts" have become all the rage of late.

[MHS831]

12 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

I wonder why Morgan wants to be an executive and not a coach? He is obviously intelligent and was a good player. Who knows, maybe he would make a hell of a good linebackers coach that eventually moves into a total defensive coordinator and then has coach.

He may be more comfortable with analytics than motivating egotistical athletes.  He came off as somewhat shy and introspective to me, but who knows?  Interesting question.

[WhoKnows]

22 hours ago, countryboi said:

I don’t hate the idea but it’s hard to know how much he was involved in the roster building, he could be Brandon Beane. 

Eh, I know a lot of people hate DG, but in 5 drafts he got Turner, Norwell, Williams, Moton, Butker, Mayo, Klein, KB, Short, Star, CMC, Samuel, Bradberry, Worley (he might get a ring this year), Boston, and Shaq. Not the best GM in the world but enough good to decent picks that you could feel decent about Beane. Also, DG/Beane picked 14, 25, 28 and 31 (Pats forfeited 1st) before getting a top 13 pick.

I don’t want to hire a GM just because he’s an ex-Panther and unfortunately there is so little good under Fitterer/Morgan who also had the benefit of picking 8, 6 and 1 and still did poorly.

The argument for keeping Fitterer in 2022 was that we didn’t really know what decisions were his. We took a chance and got non-Rhule drafts that were way worse than Rhule/Hurney.

It would be different if we drafted a couple studs and knew Morgan was instrumental in those picks but we don’t so why risk it if you can get someone who has proved their ability.

[Ricky Prickles]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

He may be more comfortable with analytics than motivating egotistical athletes.  He came off as somewhat shy and introspective to me, but who knows?  Interesting question.

I think you may be on to something there and I bet you are right! I was always curious of that and do remember hearing he was somewhat shy and he probably is more of an analytics guy. Good point!

[strato]

It says something that I lost my ex Panther love for Dan Morgan via his involvement with this regime. 

I would have welcomed his help but no. Not anymore. 

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, strato said:

It says something that I lost my ex Panther love for Dan Morgan via his involvement with this regime. 

I would have welcomed his help but no. Not anymore. 

Which is probably why he wont get the job even if he is the most qualified--PR move to bring in fresh faces, if nothing else

[MtnJax]

On 1/9/2024 at 12:40 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

It was reported that literally everyone in the building liked young over stroud.  Everyone.  That tells me 1 of 2 things.  A)Teppers preferred Young and everyone fell in line or B)our scouting dept is from top to bottom filled with absolute morons and every person in there is wasting oxygen and needs to be replace asap

And it’s been reported many times that LEAGUE WIDE CONSENSUS was Young was the top QB n the draft. So based on your thoughts, fire every scouting department in the NFL

[Basbear]

8 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Eh, I know a lot of people hate DG, but in 5 drafts he got Turner, Norwell, Williams, Moton, Butker, Mayo, Klein, KB, Short, Star, CMC, Samuel, Bradberry, Worley (he might get a ring this year), Boston, and Shaq. Not the best GM in the world but enough good to decent picks that you could feel decent about Beane. Also, DG/Beane picked 14, 25, 28 and 31 (Pats forfeited 1st) before getting a top 13 pick.

I don’t want to hire a GM just because he’s an ex-Panther and unfortunately there is so little good under Fitterer/Morgan who also had the benefit of picking 8, 6 and 1 and still did poorly.

The argument for keeping Fitterer in 2022 was that we didn’t really know what decisions were his. We took a chance and got non-Rhule drafts that were way worse than Rhule/Hurney.

It would be different if we drafted a couple studs and knew Morgan was instrumental in those picks but we don’t so why risk it if you can get someone who has proved their ability.

I thought dave and marty combo would be a special pairing. Let marty work with agents/players and pick the #1s. Let dave set the price on each FA and fill out the depth. Dave was great for UDFAs, for about four 4 running he always found 2 players each year. Marty found two his whole career. 

Fitterererer just had problems saying no and trying to help everyone. 

Since this roster is expansion level bad, the team needs a roster builder. I dont think thats morgan. 

[thennek]

If Morgan does get it I hope he maintained his LB mentality and tells Tepper to pound sand when he butts in. I think Tepper needs someone who is not afraid of him and is comfortable with confrontation. 

[strato]

21 hours ago, MtnJax said:

And it’s been reported many times that LEAGUE WIDE CONSENSUS was Young was the top QB n the draft. So based on your thoughts, fire every scouting department in the NFL

Not to pick on you, as plenty of people express this. 

This “League Wide” stuff implies every team in the league and it just wouldn’t be. On a practical level only a few teams are doing real evaluation on the top QBs. If they weren’t looking for a QB high they’d not really seriously evaluate the top ones, but still they’d probably at least give a cursory look.

But then what? That’s it as far as their scenario goes. Somebody out there says Player A is QB1 and they don’t agree, what good does it do them to tell people? For one, if they really don’t like the player they want a competitor to buy in. Don’t do their jobs for them. 

Not gonna go down the list with substantive objections it has been done ad infinitum but betting against the category of player that he fits in physically, is historically what has been done. It is just lately in the long NFL timeline that this stuff has deviated with a couple of players. A lot of people disagree with it and so far there isn’t a ton of evidence that valuing these sorts of players that high is sound practice. 

Edited January 11, 2024 by strato

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Not to pick on you, as plenty of people express this. 

This “League Wide” stuff implies every team in the league and it just wouldn’t be. On a practical level only a few teams are doing real evaluation on the top QBs. If they weren’t looking at QBs they’d not really seriously evaluate the top ones, but still they’d probably at least give a cursory look.

But then what? That’s it as far as their scenario goes. Somebody out there says Player A is QB1 and they don’t agree, what good does it do them to tell people? For one, if they really don’t like the player they want a competitor to buy in. Don’t do their jobs for them. 

Not gonna go down the list with substantive objections it has been done ad infinitum but betting against the category of player that he fits in physically, is historically what has been done. It is just lately in the long NFL timeline that this stuff has deviated with a couple of players. A lot of people disagree with it and so far there isn’t a ton of evidence that valuing these sorts of players that high is sound practice. 

To piggy back on this.

1. Up until 2 weeks until the draft Stroud was favored in vegas.  they knew

2. You have no idea where nfl scouts and their teams had young ranked.  You (being mtnjax) are going off of football talking heads and wannabee analysts.  You simply do not know until the draft starts

3. Someone always falls.  Rodgers was the 2nd rank qb, fields was the 2nd ranked qb etc, qbs always fall for whatever reason

4. And if one is inclined to believe reports that help their cause then you have to believe the reporting that after the combine teams had Young completely off their draft board.

 

Simply saying everyone had young #1 going into the draft isnt the dunk you think it is

[strato]

>>>>And if one is inclined to believe reports that help their cause then you have to believe the reporting that after the combine teams had Young completely off their draft board.<<<

 

Source? I’d like to read about that. It lines up with what I was seeing.  

[jayboogieman]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Up until 2 weeks until the draft Stroud was favored in vegas.  they knew

Only partially true. Young was the odds on favorite from the end of the season until Stroud's pro day and the pictures of McCown and Frank looking so happy came out. Then Stroud became the odds favorite until Young's pro day and pictures came out of more smiles there.