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NFL Playoffs Divisional Round - Games Thread

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I'm thinking if the Texans won tonight, you would have been all over CJs sack. And crapping on Bryce Young with comparisons. 

CJ just experienced what Bryce does every week. Oline couldn't hold up consistently and receivers couldn't get consistent separation. The texans don't have a bad oline. They just ran into the best defense and couldn't make plays against them.

Why? CJ has already proven to be way better than Bryce. The Ravens are the best D in the league. We made every D look like this every week. Now you're in here coping.

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3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I'm thinking if the Texans won tonight, you would have been all over CJs sack. And crapping on Bryce Young with comparisons. 

CJ just experienced what Bryce does every week. Oline couldn't hold up consistently and receivers couldn't get consistent separation. The texans don't have a bad oline. They just ran into the best defense and couldn't make plays against them.

Yes, but CJ has consistently shown all year that he has legit elite NFL talent (arm, accuracy, etc) and Bryce has shown nothing of the sort. 

Face it, we chose the wrong guy. 

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16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, at some point the elite QBs have to realize that squeezing ever dime for themselves leaves the team cash strapped to put a team around them. A big part of the reason why Brady has more rings than Manning is that he always had a more team friendly contract. At some point the money is just dick measuring and keeping score. I'd rather take a little less meaning I can have better OL on front of me and better receivers beside me. You're still going to make way more money than you could ever reasonably spend.

Man, I’m all about the money, but if I was on a run like his team, I’d take a lil paycut to keep the party going. He’s got a chance for a run like the Pats. Yea, I’d make a lil sacrifice.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why? CJ has already proven to be way better than Bryce. The Ravens are the best D in the league. We made every D look like this every week. Now you're in here coping.

The Panthers make every team look like the Ravens, but you will beat that Bryce blew it drum to anyone that'll listen.

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4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I'm thinking if the Texans won tonight, you would have been all over CJs sack. And crapping on Bryce Young with comparisons. 

CJ just experienced what Bryce does every week. Oline couldn't hold up consistently and receivers couldn't get consistent separation. The texans don't have a bad oline. They just ran into the best defense and couldn't make plays against them.

The key difference between us and the Texans is they just got shut down by a Super Bowl contender while our offense looked like deep fried ass cheeks against teams like the Bears and Jaguars. We played down to the level of what was supposed to be inferior competition and Bryce Young was just as responsible for that as the oline and receivers. You guys are being really disingenuous trying to mask that truth. Just take a break.

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1 minute ago, 33inNC said:

Yes, but CJ has consistently shown all year that he has legit elite NFL talent (arm, accuracy, etc) and Bryce has shown nothing of the sort. 

Face it, we chose the wrong guy. 

I agree that CJ is the better QB. But to blame every lose and failure on one player is disingenuous. Obvious motive.

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3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So he wins the SB you don't care?

 

 

I'm not a Lamaravens fan so not particularly considering my dog won't close to being on this race (the panthers) I'll respect his game a bit more but it don't shift no odometers for me.

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1 minute ago, frankw said:

The key difference between us and the Texans is they just got shut down by a Super Bowl contender while our offense looked like deep fried ass cheeks against teams like the Bears and Jaguars. We played down to the level of what was supposed to be inferior competition and Bryce Young was just as responsible for that as the oline and receivers. You guys are being really disingenuous trying to mask that truth. Just take a break.

Roger. As long as you acknowledge that when a team is getting their ish pushed in every play, then a QB can't will a win. Unless you have Lamar or Cam running ability. The only QBs that could have had any success in this offense.

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3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

The Panthers make every team look like the Ravens, but you will beat that Bryce blew it drum to anyone that'll listen.

What have I said about Bryce tonight in this thread? 

You're in here trying to spike the football because the Texans lost to the #1 seed in the second round of the playoffs when we were the worst team in the league. Good look buddy.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What have I said about Bryce tonight in this thread? 

You're in here trying to spike the football because the Texans lost to the #1 seed in the second round of the playoffs when we were the worst team in the league. Good look buddy.

So if the Texans would have won today, you wouldn't have had anything to say about Bryce? Be honest.

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