Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

QB Quandary: 2024 Draft, FA Stopgap, or Stand Pat?


rayzor
 Share

best course of action at QB in 2024  

86 members have voted

  1. 1. best course of action at QB in 2024

    • 2024 draft pick
      7
    • FA stop gap to get us through to 2025
      10
    • Stand Pat with who we've got
      69


Recommended Posts

Bryce hasn't had enough time to know he's for sure a bust or not. Get a good coach with the right system in place and then see what he can do. This draft has a lot of possible QBs being drafted in the first round which will be great for us as less other positions will have been drafted at that point. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Feel like the best route to go would be to have veteran competition for Young, not just a veteran mentor.

What good is vet competition really going to achieve? Honestly, at many times vets should win by default because they are more experienced. I have little doubts that Andy Dalton wouldn't have put us into a better position to win a few more games this past season. I also believe, like in many cases, that a vet will win a competition if all things are equal--like time with the ones--by simply performing better. I also think that coaches give high first round picks the benefit of the doubt, or the defacto win, because that's what GMs and/or owners want after investing so much into a player in the modern NFL, where patience is not the priority and time is perceived as of the essence due to rookie contracts. Moreover, if a vet (who you know is a Band-Aid) were to legitimately win a competition, then you're likely going to push your draft position lower and lower, right out of the top 10 (where it naturally should be), and possibly enter the no-man's-land where QBs aren't necessarily franchise level, but just good enough to keep you in perpetual frustration; that, or either you have to give some other team a king's ransom to move up. 

I just don't see the sense in a "competition" with a vet QB. To me, the better plan is to take a swing in the draft and acquire someone with talent that can also be developed, and just might surprise you. From what I've seen of Young thus far, he is beatable in a real competition by another young gun (like a Spencer Rattler or Bo Nix). Someone like that could at least push Young in theory, and maybe with their very presence.

Edited by top dawg
Link to comment
Share on other sites

43 minutes ago, ncsu12engr said:

Bryce hasn't had enough time to know he's for sure a bust or not. Get a good coach with the right system in place and then see what he can do. This draft has a lot of possible QBs being drafted in the first round which will be great for us as less other positions will have been drafted at that point. 

A lot of WRs too, which is what we need.  Actually, more WRs will be taken in round one than QBs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If we don't do something, I predict a sea of blue seats at The Bank in Charlotte on Sundays. I don't know how that will affect the morale of coaches, players and fans for the overall viability of the season. I don't know that an aging vet is enough to inject enough juice to fuel any excitement. A young blood might.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You MAYBE draft a QB late if you like a guy to have as a young backup.

But you gotta see what Bryce looks like under a new staff. It is as simple as that. They’ll have year 1 to review, all of the offseason, camp, preseason, and through at least the first 8-10 games to know what they’ve got in him.

You're not benching him for a vet early and you’re not getting anyone to compete in 2024. Anyone being realistic should know that’s not happening regardless of how much you disliked what you saw this season. Maybe we draft a guy late who could be a backup and come in if Dalton is indisposed.

It’s Bryce in 2024, like it or not. He could be stored away come November, could be a mixed bag we are still unsure about come week 18, or maybe he overcomes it all and looks legit.

 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

So in your opinion they SHOULD waste more assets on another QB when they already have one under a rookie contract (That already cost us a ton of assets to acquire) as well as a proven vet starter who has a history of being solid and no first round pick this year?

That's some Fitterer roster building logic.

We don't have an NFL calibre QB under a rookie contract. 

  • Pie 1
  • Poo 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ncsu12engr said:

Bryce hasn't had enough time to know he's for sure a bust or not. Get a good coach with the right system in place and then see what he can do. This draft has a lot of possible QBs being drafted in the first round which will be great for us as less other positions will have been drafted at that point. 

He's had 16 games.

His stats so far are in record breaking territory (the bad kind). The only reason that's the case is because he was the #1 overall pick (that we traded 5 premium players for) and he was going to be run out there regardless of performance.

Any other QB performing that badly in NFL history has been benched. Yet some of you think we need more time to evaluate him.

He's clearly a bust. It's a sunk cost - Tepper should understand those. If we want to bring this franchise back to anything approaching respectability we need to hire a GM who plans for a future without Bryce Young starting this offseason.

  • Beer 1
  • Poo 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Our self awareness is terrible. Our roster is terrible, we need to quit worry about winning an extra 3-4 games but instead worry about building a roster.


I wouldn’t even worry about veteran competition. Sign a cheap guy to back him up and play out the year. 
 

 We spent a fortune for Bryce, put him out there, he either improves or he gets us get a better pick in 25.  Maybe he improves a little, and turns into a backup and you get some value out of him. 
 

Also I would be using most of my resources to improve the offense. Whether it’s Young or a rookie in 2025 we need better players on that side of the ball to correctly evaluate and develop whatever an it is.

 

  • Pie 5
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • And there are a lot of teams that fluctuate from year to year.   For example, the Lions disappointed, and the Bears and Pats overachieved.  But your stats demonstrate the point.  At the bottom 10 of the SOS (toughest schedule) for 2025, the Texans and Rams are the only teams to have winning records. In the top 10 of the SOS (weakest schedules) only the Browns and Cowboys had losing records.  So, it seems that if you have a top 10 SOS (toughest), you have an 80% chance of having a losing record.  If you have a top 10 easiest schedule, you have an 80% chance of having a winning record.  I am not seeing your point, based on these charts.  
    • This article (ESPN) got me thinking and I think on paper.  Thought I would share.  This thinking involves realistic cap analysis, needs, the draft, and free agency.  I think it realistically addresses Edge and LB fairly well.  OL (not 2026 so much, but 2027 and beyond looks good).  The free agent S has deep range and coverage skills, something that killed us on third downs last year, imo.  Beyond Edge, LB, S, and OL depth, that is about it.  I took a flyer on DT and WR depth late in the draft, but at CB (Horn, Jackson, Smith-Wade, and Thornton), QB, RB, TE, etc. we are going to rely on undrafted free agents.  No cap room left. EDGE:  In the $7m per year range, the edge from Atlanta Ebiketie got pressure at a high rate in reduced snaps. With Atlanta adding 2 edge rushers as rookies who seemed to do well (Pearce is one of them--*) but he got pressure in limited snaps at a high rate 16.9% (one in eight pass rush).   He is 27 and played in 384 snaps.  PFF Score of 74.9.  had 2 sacks.  If he had a normal workload, based on his limited play, he would have had about 5 to 6 sacks and about 60 pressures.  However, it is likely he would be rotational here, logging about 500 snaps.   A lot of this decision depends on how we feel about Princely.  If they like his development, you probably do not draft an Edge in round 1 or maybe even 2 for several reasons (and many may disagree with this logic, but a good GM has long-term vision):  1. That would give you 3 Edge contracts to negotiate in 3-4 years.  2.  Edges take time to develop.  They would peak around 2028.  The Panthers are in "win now" mode, I think. Mafe (Seahawks, PFF 69.2) is another option, but he is more along the lines of Scourton and Jones II.  He would command a contract in the $10m range. Kwity Paye (Indianapolis, PFF 68.7) He is about 28 and is expected to sign a deal around $18m per season.  I am not that impressed, but he is considered "above average."  I'd rather have Ebiketie from Atlanta for $10m per season less. Center:  The center position in the draft is looking better.  There are some short armed OTs (like Parker, Duke, et al) who will project inside (G,C). Personally, I like the Center position in this draft--let Mays walk.  Re-sign Corbett, and draft a C in round 3.   Linebacker:  I am not sure what we should do here.   I think Morgan will fall in love with Cincinnati's Golday, and we would take him at #51.  Rodriguez (Texas Tech) in round 3 could be a steal.  However, I am not sure that I see value after Styles in round 1.  I think Devin Lloyd will want elite meny and he is not elite--he is good.  He will ask for $15m per season.  Leo Chenel (KC, 75.1 PFF, est. $5m) is a much better option. Safety:  I think Kam Curl would be a great fit here. (Rams, 2 Ints 87 tackles) he is very versatile. Expected to get between $10m and $12m per year, however.  In the draft, I think they like Bud Clark who should be there in round 4.  Are Moehrig, Ransom, and Simmons enough?  Tony Adams (63.7 PFF) a deep safety known for his range.  He is expected to get a 3-year, $20m deal on the market. Based on what I am seeing here and the way I am thinking right now on 2/21, here is what I might do: Free Agency CAP: I am going to assume we can clear about $50m by restructuring the contracts of Horn, Lewis, Hunt, and Brown and cutting AShawn Robinson.  We could (bold move) extend Ickey Ekwonu--considering his situation, it could be beneficial to him long term, and his guaranteed salary could be spread over the next 3 years or so. Re-sign veterans:  OL:  Corbett ($3m), Nijman ($4m), Christensen ($2.5m--2 years $5m), Jake Curhan ($1.4m-2 years, $3m).  BC may be ready around mid season, Curhan has experience at RT and G, and played well.  He has played LT in preseason.  There is NOTHING in free agency at LT--most sucked in 2025 and/or are old.  WR: Jalen Coker ($8m--4 years, $32m), LB: Rozeboom ($3.5--2 years, $7m) Cherelus ($1m)  ST: Isiah Simmons ($1.5m).  TOTAL:  Approx. $25m New Free Agents:  Linebacker:  Leo Chenal (KC, age 26) estimated $5m. Safety:  Tony Adams, (NYJ, age 27)  estimated $7m Edge: Arnold Ebikete (Atl, age 27)  estimated $7m Draft: Round 1:  Cashius Howell, Edge Texas AM (This pick gives the Panthers a situational edge rusher to pair with Princely while Ebikete and Scourton start.  Jones II could be cut to save about $4m in cap room. Round 2: Caleb Tiernan, LT, Northwestern (Good pass protector who needs work in run blocking.  I wanted Golday LB here, but if we sign Chenel, the need is lessened at LB if we re-sign Rozeboom. Tiernan is solid). Round 3:  Jake Slaughter C, Florida (Groom behind Corbett for a while, but Slaughter is an impressive C who should be ready by 2027). Round 4:  Demetrius Crownover, RT Texas AM (This guy can develop as a backup until Moton decides to leave) Round 5:  Aiden Fisher, ILB Indiana (could be a nice fit in this system.  Smart, with special teams ability)' Round 6: Ty Montgomery, WR John Carroll Univ.  (very productive with good size and hands.  a gamble, but worth a sixth) Round 7:  James Thompson Jr.  DT, Illinois (was a beast at the Shrine bowl practices and game.  For some reason, there have been a lot of undrafted free agents and day 3 DTs succeed in the NFL.  This could be one.)                          
×
×
  • Create New...