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Who is Dave Canales? 9 part series


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I just can't bring myself to invest any time in learning about Canales or any other coaching staff, front office hires, etc. I'll follow camp news a bit and watch come preseason and regular season and hope he does well but otherwise it's just hard to get all that interested in this team. fug tepper for ruining it for us

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Looks like each video breaks down 1 media/practice/interview per.  Props to the guy for trying to sift through this stuff and see what type of coach he is.  But they're not long vids.  

Checked out parts 2 & 3. they're both around 3-4 minutes each - it's of him at practice.  He definitely reminds me of a McVay-type in this respect.  He runs with the play while amping and critiquing guys, then good side banter.  Seems thoughtful and energetic.  

It's going to be different but I think in a good way for the guys who've been used to Ron, Rhule, & Frank.  Lightyears different.   

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8 hours ago, t96 said:

I just can't bring myself to invest any time in learning about Canales or any other coaching staff, front office hires, etc. I'll follow camp news a bit and watch come preseason and regular season and hope he does well but otherwise it's just hard to get all that interested in this team. fug tepper for ruining it for us

I bit of perspective is good.  There was no way this team was going to transition from Richardson to new owner easily.   

Tepper has been learning, while trying to.make us relevant sooner rather than later. Yes, mistakes were made. Not like he knew what he was doing, or any other potential owner. 

I'm not really defending Tepper, because he is a bit of a bone head. Just knows he wants the Panthers to win every bit as much as we do...if not more. He certainly hasn't been happy with the results on the field. No one can deny that. 

As a Panther fan from the beginning...this has been painful, and embarrassing at times. 

It seems that is just too easy to blame Tepper for everything...and context says you can't.  

Just this humble man's opinion.  

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8 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Looks like each video breaks down 1 media/practice/interview per.  Props to the guy for trying to sift through this stuff and see what type of coach he is.  But they're not long vids.  

Checked out parts 2 & 3. they're both around 3-4 minutes each - it's of him at practice.  He definitely reminds me of a McVay-type in this respect.  He runs with the play while amping and critiquing guys, then good side banter.  Seems thoughtful and energetic.  

It's going to be different but I think in a good way for the guys who've been used to Ron, Rhule, & Frank.  Lightyears different.   

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10 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I bit of perspective is good.  There was no way this team was going to transition from Richardson to new owner easily.   

Tepper has been learning, while trying to.make us relevant sooner rather than later. Yes, mistakes were made. Not like he knew what he was doing, or any other potential owner. 

I'm not really defending Tepper, because he is a bit of a bone head. Just knows he wants the Panthers to win every bit as much as we do...if not more. He certainly hasn't been happy with the results on the field. No one can deny that. 

As a Panther fan from the beginning...this has been painful, and embarrassing at times. 

It seems that is just too easy to blame Tepper for everything...and context says you can't.  

Just this humble man's opinion.  

Why was there no way that could happen? Terry Pegula bought the Bills in 2014 after they hadn't made the playoffs since 1999. They made the playoffs in 2017 and now every year since 2019 have been contenders.

 

The Panthers under Tepper have only gotten worse and worse each year. And it's ultimately all on him, there is no context that takes the blame off of him. He's made poor decision after poor decision, has had no patience and by many reports is an arrogant unlikeable douche in the team workplace. Maybe he'll somehow turn it around at some point but this is by far the worst the team has ever been and it's all been under his leadership. Other potential owners absolutely could've done way better. The Bills were in no better shape in 2014 than we were in 2018 when the respective sales happened. I'd argue they were in worse shape. And Pegula got them turned around quickly.

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4 minutes ago, t96 said:

Why was there no way that could happen? Terry Pegula bought the Bills in 2014 after they hadn't made the playoffs since 1999. They made the playoffs in 2017 and now every year since 2019 have been contenders.

 

The Panthers under Tepper have only gotten worse and worse each year. And it's ultimately all on him, there is no context that takes the blame off of him. He's made poor decision after poor decision, has had no patience and by many reports is an arrogant unlikeable douche in the team workplace. Maybe he'll somehow turn it around at some point but this is by far the worst the team has ever been and it's all been under his leadership. Other potential owners absolutely could've done way better. The Bills were in no better shape in 2014 than we were in 2018 when the respective sales happened. I'd argue they were in worse shape. And Pegula got them turned around quickly.

All very subjective.  

The reality of the team moving on from Cam and Luke, would have been rough regardless who owned the team. 

Tepper isn't blameless.  

I also recall many times I felt just as disappointed and discussed with the team.   

Anyways,  wasn't trying to change your mind, just offering some perspective.  

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21 hours ago, top dawg said:

Well give us a tad more depth (not asking for a book) than just "good stuff." What's so good?

sorry...i know you didn't want a book, but Snoop Dogg Idk GIF by NBC

the first few just talked about his nature and attitude. the guy is really passionate about coaching and has super high energy that is infectious. he's out there and involved on the practice field. the first one was a conversation with tony dungy and he was giving credit to russel wilson for helping him understand the QB position more (this was while canales was working with WRs). 

the 4th clip is from guys at pewter report talking about what they are excited about (a lot of the same things from the above) and what they are seeing from a mic'd up practice.

the 5th is that interview with that lady on the bucs media team, which is a really good interview if you haven't seen it. in it the thing that sticks out to me is that he wants to look at what the team does really well, what passing plays and run plays that work and the team feel confident in so when the team gets in crucial situations he can call plays that make the players excited and confident going into it. 

he's a confidence builder and he gives players a reason to feel confident by making them feel good about what they do well and helping them get better at the things they need to get better at. 

one thing that they also talk about is something that i really try to do with my job in management. i get moved to departments where there is a struggle with morale and a bit of drama going on and a lot of time it kind of stems from management they have had before that either started, contributed to, or brushed aside it all. people come to work already hating their job and dreading their day and it's hard to get a lot out of them and then they leave feeling unappreciated with no desire to come back the next day. i try to get them started off with a bit of a positive tone, usually just laughing at me because i'm a bit of a goofball and when they leave i try not to have any day where i don't tell them that i appreciate them and the job they did.

morale improves, drama level drops, and production stays up. they don't dread the day. they start off with either a laugh or just shaking their head at me because i'm an idiot and they leave hearing someone say "good job" and meaning it. they may not love their job, but i think i help make it more bearable. canales has a different way of doing it being this high energy guy who is constantly trying to motivate and encourage the players and make it not just fun but help the players feel good about being there, which is something these guys really need. regardless of how much you get paid, coming to work each day can be a miserable experience or a positive one and typically management can help it become one or the other.

6th clip is i guess his introductory presser with the bucs talking about his philosophy and number 1 priority being the ball and making sure it's taken care of and that all 11 on the field are working together towards the same thing. 

7th is his idea of culture, which is what that particular group celebrates. what things they value the most as a group. it makes sense. help the group find what drives (or what would drive) them and then build on that. he then talks a bit about how they point out and address the things that they need to get rid of. show clips of 10 plays....8 will be things with a lot of good in them and then 2 will be horrible things they need to correct right away, but in the way you address them you do it in a way that is fun, but to the point...not demeaning to the player(s) involved tearing them down. (another thing i try to do).

8th is basically some life coaching stuff on how to be a decent human that people can depend on. it comes with a christian bent, but for the most part it's stuff that most people can relate to and benefit from. it comes from a place where he recognized his mistakes and what he needed to do to either avoid it or make it right. 

the last one was a lot of personal stuff about his marriage, how he messed stuff up, wrestled with hypocrisy as a man of faith, coming clean with his wife and owning everything, and then getting stuff right in his life. not football stuff, but good "getting better as people" stuff that would help cut down on personal drama with the players and help them get their heads in the game more.

 

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On 2/1/2024 at 7:34 AM, rayzor said:

sorry...i know you didn't want a book, but Snoop Dogg Idk GIF by NBC

the first few just talked about his nature and attitude. the guy is really passionate about coaching and has super high energy that is infectious. he's out there and involved on the practice field. the first one was a conversation with tony dungy and he was giving credit to russel wilson for helping him understand the QB position more (this was while canales was working with WRs). 

the 4th clip is from guys at pewter report talking about what they are excited about (a lot of the same things from the above) and what they are seeing from a mic'd up practice.

the 5th is that interview with that lady on the bucs media team, which is a really good interview if you haven't seen it. in it the thing that sticks out to me is that he wants to look at what the team does really well, what passing plays and run plays that work and the team feel confident in so when the team gets in crucial situations he can call plays that make the players excited and confident going into it. 

he's a confidence builder and he gives players a reason to feel confident by making them feel good about what they do well and helping them get better at the things they need to get better at. 

one thing that they also talk about is something that i really try to do with my job in management. i get moved to departments where there is a struggle with morale and a bit of drama going on and a lot of time it kind of stems from management they have had before that either started, contributed to, or brushed aside it all. people come to work already hating their job and dreading their day and it's hard to get a lot out of them and then they leave feeling unappreciated with no desire to come back the next day. i try to get them started off with a bit of a positive tone, usually just laughing at me because i'm a bit of a goofball and when they leave i try not to have any day where i don't tell them that i appreciate them and the job they did.

morale improves, drama level drops, and production stays up. they don't dread the day. they start off with either a laugh or just shaking their head at me because i'm an idiot and they leave hearing someone say "good job" and meaning it. they may not love their job, but i think i help make it more bearable. canales has a different way of doing it being this high energy guy who is constantly trying to motivate and encourage the players and make it not just fun but help the players feel good about being there, which is something these guys really need. regardless of how much you get paid, coming to work each day can be a miserable experience or a positive one and typically management can help it become one or the other.

6th clip is i guess his introductory presser with the bucs talking about his philosophy and number 1 priority being the ball and making sure it's taken care of and that all 11 on the field are working together towards the same thing. 

7th is his idea of culture, which is what that particular group celebrates. what things they value the most as a group. it makes sense. help the group find what drives (or what would drive) them and then build on that. he then talks a bit about how they point out and address the things that they need to get rid of. show clips of 10 plays....8 will be things with a lot of good in them and then 2 will be horrible things they need to correct right away, but in the way you address them you do it in a way that is fun, but to the point...not demeaning to the player(s) involved tearing them down. (another thing i try to do).

8th is basically some life coaching stuff on how to be a decent human that people can depend on. it comes with a christian bent, but for the most part it's stuff that most people can relate to and benefit from. it comes from a place where he recognized his mistakes and what he needed to do to either avoid it or make it right. 

the last one was a lot of personal stuff about his marriage, how he messed stuff up, wrestled with hypocrisy as a man of faith, coming clean with his wife and owning everything, and then getting stuff right in his life. not football stuff, but good "getting better as people" stuff that would help cut down on personal drama with the players and help them get their heads in the game more.

 

Great breakdown, thanks 🙂

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So this was a guy addicted to porn, alcohol and infidelity in marriage and then has a come to Jesus moment and is now addicted to Christianity. The addictive behavior is the same its just the game has changed.

On top of that he was hired with a certain Panthers female president being very influential in the decision. 

Hmm..............I see a slipping off the Christianity wagon for a moment or two and reverting back to some biological urges of physical addiction that will result in a scandal in the future of the Panthers.......

You heard it here first..............

 

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