Getting Crunch Time for the Panthers and Brian Burns

[Jon Snow]

14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Burns did not put up the numbers but he did not have a lot of heat on the other side, allowing offensive blocking schemes to focus on him.  However, he has not earned elite money.  I just worry that if he leaves, our CBs suddenly get worse and our D becomes a problem while fixing the offense.  He is a player, but you have to think of the players you won't get if you pay him.

If you transition tag him and lose him, do you still get a comp pick for him?  

Burns is never double teamed or schemed around.  He just isn't what his fans pretend he is. But this team is so desperate to have a "name" to pretend that is elite that they will overpay an underachieving player to say they are the franchise edge rusher.  He's just a jag and will never be more than he is right now.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Burns is never double teamed or schemed around.  He just isn't what his fans pretend he is. But this team is so desperate to have a "name" to pretend that is elite that they will overpay an underachieving player to say they are the franchise edge rusher.  He's just a jag and will never be more than he is right now.

I admit that I have not watched his film at all.  I can say that he seems to be a one trick pony.  He has been hyped up quite a bit--that is for sure.

So are you saying that he should walk or we should shop him?  Still mad about the Rams offer and our response. 

Edited February 19 by MHS831

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I admit that I have not watched his film at all.  I can say that he seems to be a one trick pony.  He has been hyped up quite a bit--that is for sure.

So are you saying that he should walk or we should shop him?  Still mad about the Rams offer and our response. 

Shop him and if you get no takers you have no choice but to let him walk. He's overpaid as it is. I would take a ham sandwich for him at this point.  Watch the tap, it ain't pretty. 

[CmC2k]

https://www.sbnation.com/2023/2/21/23608375/nfl-franchise-tag-transition-exclusive-rules-salary-lamar-jackson-daniel-jones

I'm defiantly a fan of the Non-exclusive franchise tag. If Burns thinks he's worth $30 million a season, then allow him to test the market to see if another team will offer it. If he does, then we can match the offer sheet or let him go but get 2 1st from the team that signs him. 

Burns is a good player, and I would love to have him back on a fair deal but his lack of a take over a game skill set makes him not worth $30 million a year. During the 1st half against ATL in week 1 Burns flashed the ability to take over a game like other $30 million a year pass rushers do but that was the only time he's ever shown the ability to do that. 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Many teams think Burns is legit Edge Rusher.  We need to take advantage of this.  Sign him and trade him.  He's not going to make a difference in whether we win more games than we lose.  We are in total rebuild mode and need to get assets for 2025.

It's one of the reason's I would trade #33 for a 1st next year.  I don't think we'll trade Burns before the draft.  If we do, great. I just feel teams are going to want to keep 24's draft pick.  We take a 2025 and a 2026 first rounder for him.  If we trade #33 and get a 1st in 2025 for Burns and maybe a 3rd this year.  Then we have our 1st in 2025.   We have 3 firsts to use as bargaining chips for a QB should Bryce fail in 2024.

If Bryce turns out to be the man, we are in great shape to add players that can be core players for many years. 

 

[ForJimmy]

If we trade him. Who are we replacing hIm with? I’m not against it providing the compensation is right and we have a replacement. I liked that Ravens trade scenario floating around a few weeks ago. 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If we trade him. Who are we replacing hIm with? I’m not against it providing the compensation is right and we have a replacement. I liked that Ravens trade scenario floating around a few weeks ago. 

He's MIA now! Some jag off the street can replace that. You can find 2 guys for $10M per to rotate in and out during the game that would replace what he brings, probably get better on top of that.

[Bear Hands]

I don’t like these options.

 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

He's MIA now! Some jag off the street can replace that. You can find 2 guys for $10M per to rotate in and out during the game that would replace what he brings, probably get better on top of that.

I saw our game without him this year there was 0 pressure. It was awful. He is disruptive as a pass rusher, I mean he just had 12.5 sacks the prior year…

[axl-69 2.0]

He played not to get hurt. If he plays on the tag, its going to be more of the same. So best bet is to tag and trade and get what we can get. Say we sign him and he isnt happy with that contract, is he going to go back to playing not to get hurt again? Dude can have all the talent in the world but if he doesnt give 100%, what good is he? 

[45catfan]

16 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If we trade him. Who are we replacing hIm with? I’m not against it providing the compensation is right and we have a replacement. I liked that Ravens trade scenario floating around a few weeks ago. 

The draft, FA or wait until next year.  It's not like we are going to even sniff the playoffs, so one player isn't worth holding the entire team ransom over.

[frankw]

People are down on him and some of that is on Brian himself. The Panthers front office has mismanaged the situation but Burns also has not been consistent after posturing through camp about leadership while now demanding top money.

All that being said I still get the feeling if we do trade him and he goes somewhere with other top talent and coaching the tide about him here will turn and we will get yet another round of "wtf why did we trade him again?". I'm not saying that will happen. But it's a possibility.

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I don’t like these options.

 

Sorry, but the team/cap friendly re-signing choice wasn't a realistic option.  I thought about it, but if that were in the cards, a deal would have already been done by now.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The draft, FA or wait until next year.  It's not like we are going to even sniff the playoffs, so one player isn't worth holding the entire team ransom over.

The draft is tough for pass rushers even if we use a premium pick (which will also cost some money). Is there a FA we can get at a decent price?