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3 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

First, I’ll add that I’ve never preferred Young and it was obvious in week 1 against Atlanta last year that he was going to have problems. He’s cemented this in the rest of his career.

Second, I’d enjoy Dalton starting because people in here actually think he’ll give us a chance. This team is poo with the worst QB ever. Dalton hasn’t been a winning QB in almost a decade and he’s not saving us this year.

Dalton is trash

would Dalton throw balls downfield to help XL, Mingo and Saunders grow and develop?  Yes.  We saw that in Seattle. 

Bryce sucking stunts everyone from growing and answering their own questions 

 

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11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Dalton is trash

would Dalton throw balls downfield to help XL, Mingo and Saunders grow and develop?  Yes.  We saw that in Seattle. 

Bryce sucking stunts everyone from growing and answering their own questions 

 

I agree but not getting the correct QB in the draft because we win too many games will be way worse for the young guys entire career. 

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4 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

First, I’ll add that I’ve never preferred Young and it was obvious in week 1 against Atlanta last year that he was going to have problems. He’s cemented this in the rest of his career.

Second, I’d enjoy Dalton starting because people in here actually think he’ll give us a chance. This team is poo with the worst QB ever. Dalton hasn’t been a winning QB in almost a decade and he’s not saving us this year.

No one thinks Dalton is going to take us to a winning record.  But we might actually be competitive in a few games.  

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

We have no idea who the correct qb will be come next draft. It's dumb to even think about 2 weeks in. 

Huh? Getting the top pick means we can select the correct one. Who said anything about determining the correct guy right now 

Honestly, watching Stroud play and Young play, it’s so fuging obvious who our pick should have been. It had to have been an idiot like Fitterer somehow convincing everyone that Young was Wilson and everyone ignored the clear physical issues.

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3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

No one thinks Dalton is going to take us to a winning record.  But we might actually be competitive in a few games.  

Woo hoo, competitive in a few of the next 15 games.

I’ll stop posting about it because I know Dalton isn’t going to make watching games any better this year for me. I just hope we don’t fug ourselves like we’ve done for years and made this team a lot worse for a couple more wins. Beating Atlanta one time won’t really solve the core problem and it’s going to be a shitty season to watch this year regardless of QB. 

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7 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Huh? Getting the top pick means we can select the correct one. Who said anything about determining the correct guy right now 

Honestly, watching Stroud play and Young play, it’s so fuging obvious who our pick should have been. It had to have been an idiot like Fitterer somehow convincing everyone that Young was Wilson and everyone ignored the clear physical issues.

We had the #1 pick and made the wrong choice. We traded the cow for the 🫘 , but unlike Jack from the tale, our little bean has no magic.

A lot of folks had BY has their #1 including at least half of the Huddle. You don’t need #1 overall to get your guy- Mahomes wasn’t #1, neither was Jackson or Hurts. We just need to hit on our #1 and #2 and then put a scheme together that works and talent around them. Our Coaches and FO has to do a better job whether we have the first overall or not.

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49 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Then by your own logic there is no point in playing Bryce.  If we can’t win either way but one QB would allow us to run a semi functional offense..

I think where we might be differing on this is trying to wrangle a few wins here and there. There is no good or better outcome on this season.

To your point, there is no reason to play Bryce. We know what we have with him. There's no reason to play Dalton. He is not the answer. I don't know, put in the udfa they had out there in preseason. It's a no-win scenario no matter how you look at it, but someone has to go out there and slog it out. Only 15 more to go!

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    • CRA
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By CRA · Posted

      I don't need that many words to say Bryce Young has not yet surpassed the caliber of QB play that current Joe Flacco represents.   I have watched every game Bryce has played.  He doesn't give you average QB play.   He can't make a ton of throws.  Bryce is consistent overall in what he is.  You can take outlier games on both ends of the spectrum out of play and judge him or any QB.....for Bryce it is unquestioned bottom of the league play.  All you have to do is watch the two play.  Flacco is good enough that if you can keep up right and give him time.....he presents a level of play Bryce can't do as a passer  
    • ForJimmy
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      Not sure.  Which ones have more GWDs in the same time frame?
    • MasterAwesome
      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

      By MasterAwesome · Posted

      You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team. 2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating 2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating 2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating 2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season. So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) .  Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.   I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.
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