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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler: WR Diontae Johnson Possible Trade Candidate At Deadline


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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

This is about the most hypocritical statement you have ever made.

Also, you would be a terrible GM. That isn't an insult, it's a factual statement quite literally based on the takes you have made in this message board. Very few of your ridiculous, cartoonish personnel opinions have ever panned out.

As many have said, it would be insane(also very Panthers, so there is that) to sign a 29 year old WR to a long term 18-22/mil a year deal. That's bananas.

Now if he wants something in the 12-15 range at maybe 3 years, by all means, get the deal done.

You do realize I'm not the only one in this thread saying sign him right?

 

It's stuff like this that makes no sense. You target who you want. Nothing I have said is "cartoonish personnel opinions".

 

My goodness man if you don't like what I post just ignore me. I'm too old to be going back n forth about some nonsense you're angry about. Talk football leave that goofy stuff to the clowns.

 

And for goodness sake keep that same energy for everyone else who's saying the same thing as me. I'm not your crash dummy. Come at me and I will come at you back. 

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You guys talk like it's your money. I know 20M a year sound high, but with the cap going up like it has it is not what 20M used to be. Look at the other WR deals out there, where 30+ is the new norm. 

3 year 63M, right in that 20-25M per year would be worth having a vet leader in the WR room. 

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

He is literally not young. He will be 29 next season.

He is likely to be closer to the end of his career than the beginning. I don't see him playing until he is 34+ years old.

Consider that WR is the second lowest average career length position in the NFL.

We've just got to start targeting quick shifty route runners in the draft instead of big stiff receivers who are fast once they get going like it's the 90s.

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15 minutes ago, ChuckWag78 said:

You guys talk like it's your money. I know 20M a year sound high, but with the cap going up like it has it is not what 20M used to be. Look at the other WR deals out there, where 30+ is the new norm. 

3 year 63M, right in that 20-25M per year would be worth having a vet leader in the WR room. 

We have been through cap hell, we aren't completely out of it so there isn't a great reason to double down when we are as bad of a team as we are. It's about building something sustainable and long term. 

Paying someone as a top 10 WR when they are not is how you end up having long term issues with cap management and personnel. 

I would very much like to keep Diontae around but it needs to be at a price that makes sense for our actual future.

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19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We have been through cap hell, we aren't completely out of it so there isn't a great reason to double down when we are as bad of a team as we are. It's about building something sustainable and long term. 

Paying someone as a top 10 WR when they are not is how you end up having long term issues with cap management and personnel. 

I would very much like to keep Diontae around but it needs to be at a price that makes sense for our actual future.

20M ish isn't top 10 money though. There are 20+ WR that make over 20M this year. 

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11 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

If we don’t pay him we’ll have to pay someone else

This.

 

If we've learned nothing else over the years, it should be that once you have talent, retain them.  The indecision and delay on what to do always costs you more in the end.  If you re-sign them, even if production drops off some, eventually the contract averages down to the market and if you don't like the investment you can find creative ways to mitigate it.  But when you hem and haw as we always have, you settle for less and pay more in assets and resources in the long run.

Sign this man and end the madness.

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We pretty much have no money invested in the WR group. Even less once Thielen is gone at the end of the season. We have a promising 1st round rookie and nothing much else beyond that under contract once the year is done. At some point you have to pay the money and keep what you have if the production justifies the outlay. What's the point in losing it in the hope we find something similar in the draft, just because it will save some money?

The defense is in need of all the high draft picks and it's going to be hard to find someone as good as Johnson in the later rounds, so that leaves you signing JAGs in free agency with the likely outcome being a trashy WR group.

With that being said I would absolutely trade him if he made it clear he won't stay around regardless of the deal on the table.

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12 hours ago, ChuckWag78 said:

20M ish isn't top 10 money though. There are 20+ WR that make over 20M this year. 

Looking at this list 20M a season would be reasonable.

I doubt he wants that though. Anyone in his position would be aiming much higher.

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7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

This.

 

If we've learned nothing else over the years, it should be that once you have talent, retain them.  The indecision and delay on what to do always costs you more in the end.  If you re-sign them, even if production drops off some, eventually the contract averages down to the market and if you don't like the investment you can find creative ways to mitigate it.  But when you hem and haw as we always have, you settle for less and pay more in assets and resources in the long run.

Sign this man and end the madness.

Just don’t overpay like we did Chosen. We might have to overpay to keep him in Charlotte. We can also tag him and see how he does before we shell out some money. 

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