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Panthers vs. Giants in München


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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the problem. Average starter get PAID and then that cap noose dooms your team. Look at our opponent for a great example.

Agreed. You have to be smart when it comes to making those decisions. 

But, we also WANT Bryce to keep getting better because in that scenario we can get more compensation for moving him.

That's where I don't get the obsessions with rooting against him. That's literally a lose-lose.

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Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I’m happy Bryce is playing well, but I still want Cam Ward

Completely fair take... just can't understand the straight hate when Bryce is playing good with a bunch of rookies.

Nobody nationally follows this team.  If this were ARod playing like this with rookies, he would be glazed for producing with nobodies... any rational NFL viewer should be able to admit that 

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Bryce isn’t there yet but if you can’t feel good about his improvement I feel for you

Everything has to be taken in context. We're playing a bottom of the barrel pass defense and we have folks spiking the ball over 113 yards through three quarters. That kinda says all that needs to be said.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything has to be taken in context. We're playing a bottom of the barrel pass defense and we have folks spiking the ball over 124 yards through three quarters. That kinda says all that needs to be said.

I mean Jones doesn’t have a ton of air yards either.

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1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Bryce isn’t there yet but if you can’t feel good about his improvement I feel for you

The realty is that Bryce's improvement puts him back about where he was last year, and even steps beyond that only gets into low-end starter territory. Feel good for him? Sure, I guess. Feel good for the team? Still not anywhere near good enough in the long run and need to see it continue week in and out for the rest of the season. At the end of the year, if the improvement continues and consistency is starting to show, then perhaps that is worth feeling good about.

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    • Really? You don't see why a team can't draft a QB in the 1st round while then starting their former #1 overall pick over them while on the last year of their deal? It puts the team in a TERRIBLE place no matter how the season goes.  If Bryce sucks, you have to answer questions as to why he was still on the team to begin with, let alone starting over the rookie.  If he's good, then you run into the situation the Vikings were in last offseason with sticking with the rookie contract or the the guy who just performed instead of said young QB. It's one thing when teams keep a vet around as a bridge QB, it's something entirely different when that QB is still only in their mid 20's and was taken #1 overall by that team.   That just doesn't happen and not sure it ever has in NFL history before.
    • What is the alternative? - BY, will not play for less then his perceived contract (just like Cam Newton did). So you pay him top of market as befitting a 1st round, Heisman winning, playing birthing QB would get. Or you cut him. - Then we are forced to either sign a stop gap QB / previously failed QB and try to fix him or you spend a 1st round pick and draft a guy, basically resetting the team.  The reality is that we all want a top 5 QB. The problem is there are only 5 of those guys in the world and drafting, even #1 overall doesn't guarantee that.  The other problem is the NFL market. Young QB get paid. Even an average, young QB gets top of market deals. I know a lot of people here think we could sign him to an 'average QB contract' but thats not reality. Didnt happen with Cam wont happen with BY.  So we could let this season flush out and he is again a middling QB. But then we cut and restart or accept it is what it is (including compensation) and build a team around what we have.  My money is on the latter. 
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