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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Imagine a Gettleman and Tepper combo. They would swell a room with their egos.

 I can imagine drinks and pink slips being thrown. 
 

Worth noting though, Gettleman was gone when they gave Jones that contract. Pretty sure. 

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16 minutes ago, strato said:

 I can imagine drinks and pink slips being thrown. 
 

Worth noting though, Gettleman was gone when they gave Jones that contract. Pretty sure. 

He was.

Also that entire 2019 QB class was just weak in general, minus Kyler.

Ironically enough, Gettleman may have actually drafted the second best QB in that draft (it's a toss up between Jones and Minshew). Haskins was the only other 1st round QB and that was a whole mess in and of itself.

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As a backup to replace Dalton on a 2 year deal for the right low figure price, sure. Worst case scenario, he is a low price backup that doesn't really offer a whole lot. Best case scenario, he actually competes for the starting job with Bryce while we look for the replacement for both. Either way, doesn't really move the needle much, but everything depends on the numbers. 

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13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

As a backup to replace Dalton on a 2 year deal for the right low figure price, sure. Worst case scenario, he is a low price backup that doesn't really offer a whole lot. Best case scenario, he actually competes for the starting job with Bryce while we look for the replacement for both. Either way, doesn't really move the needle much, but everything depends on the numbers. 

Uh....no. He is too close to starting in that situation. That's bad for us and him.

I will take Dalton 100 out of 100 times over Jones.

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1 hour ago, HPPantherzfan said:

Because they literally had him playing safety on the practice squad.  He knew his QB days were done at that point 

This is a move that will haunt a coaching staff for good. Whenever Daboll is sacked, this will follow him to his next job...he will likely never have a team with a halfway-decent QB again.

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6 minutes ago, Greatman77 said:

We don't need (another) failed QB from a bad team. Just, no.

This is a luxury for a team with a settled QB situation. Go back up Mahomes or some other solid starter. That is the way to potentially turn around your career. It's not going to a dumpster fire franchise(which we are) in which you are a hair's breadth from starting and being in an even worse situation to succeed. 

Bad for us, worse for him. Makes zero sense.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Uh....no. He is too close to starting in that situation. That's bad for us and him.

I will take Dalton 100 out of 100 times over Jones.

Dalton is too close to starting right now. If it hadn't been for a car accident, he still would be. Switching Dalton for Jones does nothing except reduce the backup's age by a decade. One is in his NFL prime, the other is almost in his NFL grave. Not a horrible move if you're trying to improve the team. We've got to get better as a team and a lateral move like that would improve the team. The problem isn't that he's close to starting. The problem is we have a GM that signed off on BY and didn't bring in any serious QB competition for camp, a HC that said yeah, he's my guy until BY poo the bed so bad he couldn't start him, and an offense that's limited because BY can't make all the throws a normal NFL QB can. 

The problem isn't that Jones could be an improvement as a backup QB. The problem is he could be better than our "franchise" QB. 

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11 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Dalton is too close to starting right now. If it hadn't been for a car accident, he still would be. Switching Dalton for Jones does nothing except reduce the backup's age by a decade. One is in his NFL prime, the other is almost in his NFL grave. Not a horrible move if you're trying to improve the team. We've got to get better as a team and a lateral move like that would improve the team. The problem isn't that he's close to starting. The problem is we have a GM that signed off on BY and didn't bring in any serious QB competition for camp, a HC that said yeah, he's my guy until BY poo the bed so bad he couldn't start him, and an offense that's limited because BY can't make all the throws a normal NFL QB can. 

The problem isn't that Jones could be an improvement as a backup QB. The problem is he could be better than our "franchise" QB. 

One is a tried and true veteran of moderate playing ability.  The other is a wild QB bust with shattered confidence and questionable playing ability. 

I would prefer not to be shuffling two shitty QB's in and out all next season. Maybe try extending a mediocre veteran and hope for potentially mediocre results? As opposed to shooting for bottom quarter of the NFL and ending up with bottom tenth of all QB's on NFL rosters.

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