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Bryce Young May Be The Answer

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1 hour ago, fanpanther said:

Young played well.   Mistake free.  But still need competition for next year.  The cardinals committed so many penalties i was wondering for a while if they wanted to loose.  Hubbard is looking better and better though.  I would love to see young have a 300 yard game or 2 to finish the season .  

Seeing a 300 yard game, and 2 to 3 TDs passed would give me a bit more confidence.

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15 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Seeing a 300 yard game, and 2 to 3 TDs passed would give me a bit more confidence.

But then some here would say it's against trash teams, at the end of the year, garbage time, etc.

I'm with you. I'd like to see him get more yards passing. But like everyone knows, we basically have one legit receiver in Thelein and he's not going to get YAC. He's a fantastic possession receiver, but it would sure help to have someone else that's a threat to catch a 5 yard slant and take it for 30.

 

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I don't know if we can win big with Bryce, but going all in on a top QB in the draft isn't an automatic formula for playoff success. Aaron Rogers is one of the most talented quarterbacks of all time, played most of his career for one of the premiere franchises in the league, and he's got one ring. Dan Marina is (in my opinion) the greatest thrower of the football of all time, and he never won a Super Bowl.

 

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5 minutes ago, bigjohn said:

I don't know if we can win big with Bryce, but going all in on a top QB in the draft isn't an automatic formula for playoff success. Aaron Rogers is one of the most talented quarterbacks of all time, played most of his career for one of the premiere franchises in the league, and he's got one ring. Dan Marina is (in my opinion) the greatest thrower of the football of all time, and he never won a Super Bowl.

 

As opposed to what? Having a game manager QB and making every other position a probowler?

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23 minutes ago, bigjohn said:

I don't know if we can win big with Bryce, but going all in on a top QB in the draft isn't an automatic formula for playoff success. Aaron Rogers is one of the most talented quarterbacks of all time, played most of his career for one of the premiere franchises in the league, and he's got one ring. Dan Marina is (in my opinion) the greatest thrower of the football of all time, and he never won a Super Bowl.

 

Tom Brady skews the reality of things.  By a lot.  Mahomes now by a little.

Rodgers got them to the postseason 11 times and won more than he lost.  Peyton Manning really just has 1 too.   He was warm body gifted a farewell gift.  Just trash for his 2nd. 

I think you a basically want your QB to get you to dance about 4-7 times.  That’s a good QB.  How the dance shakes out depends on so many things. 

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Tom Brady skews the reality of things.  By a lot. 

Rodgers got them to the postseason 11 times and won more than he lost.  Peyton Manning really just has 1 too.   He was warm body gifted a farewell gift.  Just trash for his 2nd. 

I think you a basically want your QB to get you to dance about 4-7 times.  That’s a good QB.  How the dance shakes out depends on so many things. 

It really depends on the rest of the team from there. A top 5 defense and a good running game will usually get you over the top. Coaching will also play a large role.

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3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Since the benching, he's been playing pretty damn well. That Cowboys games scared me into thinking he may have reverted to his earlier self from his first 18 games of his career, but wow does he look much better. 

17/26, 158 passing yards,  65% completions, 2 passing TDs, 0 INTs . 5 rushes 68 rushing yards, 13.6 yards per carry, 1 rushing TD.  HELL of a day. most important stat. NO TURNOVERS vs 3 total TDs he accounted for.

And this is coming from a Bryce Young hater. He hasn't converted me yet to believing he's the long term answer, but he's made huge strides in making me eat crow. 

I saw some pin-point throws today and over the last few games that have been really encouraging. I saw him complete a pass while taking a gargantuan hit and get up and smile. I saw him running around like he was Kyler Murray today lol. 

If this dude can get us out of the mud next year and lead us to a winning season or playoff berth. I'll officially be a Bryce Believer. Until then, lets just say im cautiously optimistic.

 

no one knows what young will end up being. 

it will take minimum 5 years until we have some clarity. 

random games mean nothing. even singular seasons mean nothing. 

to be that guy, young is gonna have to play good and consistent over seasons. 

158 passing yards is pretty lack luster. 

i like bryce and our coach. still got some hope for them. 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

It really depends on the rest of the team from there. A top 5 defense and a good running game will usually get you over the top. Coaching will also play a large role.

Agree.  I’d add Injuries too.  But a good QB over the course of a full season largely can get you to the dance more often than not.   And heck, just getting a little lucky comes into play often once your in

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Agree.  I’d add Injuries too.  But a good QB over the course of a full season largely can get you to the dance more often than not.   And heck, just getting a little lucky comes into play often once your in

Injuries can derail a season for the best of teams. If you are a mediocre to bad team even a few injuries will kill you. 

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Injuries can derail a season for the best of teams. If you are a mediocre to bad team even a few injuries will kill you. 

Brady and Mahomes are just anomalies amongst the great QBs

Brady has more rings than Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Marino, and on and on combined…..not because he is in a different league than them but the teams he was on were vs theirs.  Better coaching, defense, etc. 

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