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PFF: grading WR by ability to separate, YAC and catching the ball

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I think people are really underestimating how bad XL has been. 

Agreed. I’ll never call a rookie a bust unless it’s just a laziness thing, hopefully he can grow into his role but he hasn’t really brought anything to the table yet 

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40 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

i don't think he's lazy

i think there's just a distinct lack of dawg in him.

Yeah I wasn’t talking about him, when I say lazy I mean like Jamarcus Russel or Zion level. Where you know it will never work no matter how much talent. Those are the only first round guys I’d say you can call busts year 1 

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Thielen is not a surprise. Remember, he's a former Viking and at least historically, they've had some really great receivers in the past and today. 

If it wasn't for the dropped passes, XL would probably be a lot closer to Coker, I would assume. I have to remind myself that he is still very much a raw player and he's got more catching up to do learning his craft. 

Coker's an interesting case because I would've said he's not a burner but then he had that big touchdown against the Cowboys. For a rookie, he seems to be dependable on being where he should be which pairs well with the QB that we have.

Diontae... well, that's why he's still finding jobs elsewhere. 

Interesting where Harrison Jr is on that chart. If I'm reading that right, he really struggles with separation.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Mike Evans out there just in a league of his own.

That game where he went 200+ yards against us still haunts me. I admire the man as a player, but I'll also be thrilled the day we don't have to face him anymore.

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1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

We have to be near the bottom of the league at YAC, can’t remember the last time a WR took a screen pass for a big gain.

Off my memory, this team has generally not been able to run a screen that works to save their life. I still remember Cam got picked off a few times trying to run one. Probably the most consistent YAC concept we've ever had was Smitty's smoke routes; those were borderline cheat codes at times.

13 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

And JT had around 50 yards off a check down last month vs the Saints. Coker also had a good 20 yards off a check down, the yac was like 50% of the passing yards that game lol. 

That's about all I remember for the entire season. Meanwhile, I get envious of watching teams like the Rams and Chiefs. Constant little checkdowns and then it's 10~15 yards with defenders either seemingly out of place or well blocked.

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3 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Screen pass no clue, but Coker took a 30-yard pass an extra 53 yards Sunday before last.

Yeah I guess that counts, but that was more of a busted coverage than anything. I was think of what DJ used to do where he would shake or break some tackles for a big gain 

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Same guy has other stats as well. After looking at all of them, my biggest takeaway is that stats alone don't tell the whole story, especially when one set contradicts the other. Also, how there's a lot of variables to consider, like how whether the Ravens receivers seemingly getting tons of separation is more on skill or because defenses being more focused on stopping Lamar and Derrick Henry running all over them.

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