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Canales and use of Tight Ends


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I’m really confused what’s happened to Canales’ scheme and why the use of tight ends has taken a significant drop in the last few games? Are defenses focused on taking away the tight ends or has Canales done something differently, having them do more blocking? Is it coincidental that it happened ever since the JT Sanders injury?

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I'm a bit baffled myself on the lack of production from our TE's not just in recent games, but the season.

Sanders 30 rec, 307 yards, 1 TD

Tremble 21 rec,  204 yards, 1 TD

Thomas 03 rec,  7 yards,     0 TD

Not surprised at the latter guys lack of production. It's what we have come to expect from him.

I thought Sanders would have simply averaged 3 catches a game he should have equaled that production by himself over the course of a 17 game season. I thought he would have been more of a redzone arget as well. I don't know if its the scheme, the guys aren't getting open, or the QB's don't trust them. If the passing game is going to thrive going forward we need to get more production from the TE position.

You would think that next to Theilen, the TE would be option #2, especially in short yardage situations.

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Panthers have ran 72.1% of their plays this season out of 11 personnel. League average is 60.4%.

This aligns with Canales' time as the Bucs' play caller (69.4%).

While JT is getting most of the snaps still, Tommy is still getting a healthy share due to his blocking prowess. As JT develops in that regard I can see the team leaning on him more in the passing game as LBs will have to guess whether or not he's blocking or running a route on the play rather than just assume he's doing the latter.

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Seems we use who is healthy doing what they can do. Sanders has been hurt and Tremble has missed time as well. Which one besides Sanders resembles a receiver? I doubt Canales avoids using the tightends so much as they rarely win their matchups and too often drop the ball. Isn't hard to see why they aren't targeted  while a guy like Thielen will be on third down. Adam is open and makes ridiculous catches.

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8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Seems we use who is healthy doing what they can do. Sanders has been hurt and Tremble has missed time as well. Which one besides Sanders resembles a receiver. I doubt Canales avoids using the tightens so much as they rarely win their matches and too often drop the ball. Isn't hard to see why they aren't targeted  while a guy like Thielen will be on third down. Adam is open and makes ridiculous catches.

largely this.  I mean, AT is sort of eating up a lot of the type balls and area TEs eat at.   Sort of like having a Debo Samuel move into a backfield and start catching a lot of balls and wondering why the RBs are light. 

AT is sort of the Kelce variant in our O in reality.  He just happens to be a WR.

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14 minutes ago, Icege said:

Panthers have ran 72.1% of their plays this season out of 11 personnel. League average is 60.4%.

This aligns with Canales' time as the Bucs' play caller (69.4%).

While JT is getting most of the snaps still, Tommy is still getting a healthy share due to his blocking prowess. As JT develops in that regard I can see the team leaning on him more in the passing game as LBs will have to guess whether or not he's blocking or running a route on the play rather than just assume he's doing the latter.

I think its safe to say Canales has done a ton the usual coach speak at this point.  From the we are going to run run run the ball (despite having a top 5 line and top 5 back we are bottom half of rushing yards) to the 2.7 seconds for bryce.   both now seem like complete bullshit

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8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think its safe to say Canales has done a ton the usual coach speak at this point.  From the we are going to run run run the ball (despite having a top 5 line and top 5 back we are bottom half of rushing yards) to the 2.7 seconds for bryce.   both now seem like complete bullshit

I definitely think that he gets too cute with his play calling at times. Talk about establishing the run but after moving the sticks with Chuba he immediately goes five wide on the very next play damn near every time... -_-

They seem to be learning and adjusting though as the season progresses, so I'm very curious to see how the staff develops as much as I am the players.

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

largely this.  I mean, AT is sort of eating up a lot of the type balls and area TEs eat at.   Sort of like having a Debo Samuel move into a backfield and start catching a lot of balls and wondering why the RBs are light. 

AT is sort of the Kelce variant in our O in reality.  He just happens to be a WR.

He's tasked to play everywhere because the rest cannot. They are limited to specific roles. That limits what you can do on offense. 

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22 minutes ago, Mage said:

Hard to be a running football team when you give up the most points in the NFL.

Yes but he does this when we are up on the scoreboard or down on the scoreboard.

His playcalling leaves a lot to be desired. His play designs are usually pretty good but his playcalling is very suspect.

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13 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but he does this when we are up on the scoreboard or down on the scoreboard.

His playcalling leaves a lot to be desired. His play designs are usually pretty good but his playcalling is very suspect.

I really feel he needs to be just a HC and not the oc play caller  he isnt  exactly stellar at it 

very few nfl HC coaches can do that role

and he is no Andy Reid 

it is time for him to be the HC so that all parts of the team have one leader who sets the tone vs working in 3 separate solos to ensure the team plays quote ‘our brand of football’ 

whatever that is 

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Just now, raleigh-panther said:

I really feel he needs to be just a HC and not the oc play caller  he isnt  exactly stellar at it 

very few nfl HC coaches can do that role

and he is no Andy Reid 

it is time for him to be the HC so that all parts of the team have one leader who sets the tone vs working in 3 desperate solos to ensure the team plays quote ‘our brand of football’ 

whatever that is 

100% agree.

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