Impact Rookies in Playoffs (Beyond Round 1)

[Byrdman4real]

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I liked: McConkey, DeJean, Fiske, Frazier, McMillan and Franklin.   All three of the WRs had better tape than XL, yet we traded up and took the guy that needed the most development.  GM, scouts and coaches can't help themselves when trying to 'mold' underdeveloped players. Take the freaking layup and draft the more polished player!

Exactly 

[Bear Hands]

1 minute ago, thunderraiden said:

This is dumb, these are all the positions that were backloaded in the draft and would have been R1-2 talent in most drafts. This is why you see some of us this year going draft Tet or trade back and get an edge because the position is loaded at edge this year, yeah we need an edge but outside of Carter they are all the same and a decent Round 1 edge in this draft can be found in R2 much like CB was last year.

Not speaking positionally.  Every position group is represented in the list. 

And I'd say their value aligned much better with their selections and this current class is a bit thin overall.  Some decent edge rushers, sure, but I think Carter would have been ED3 or 4 last year.  I'd love to hear a good argument for him vs. Verse, Turner, or Latu as prospects.  I feel he's quite behind them from the standpoint of awareness, run defense, and actual pass rush moveset and technique.  His upper body technique is really spotty.  He's better than his predecessor in Chop, I'll give you that.   

This draft has maybe 12-15 R1 grades IMO.  

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I'd argue Wilson's risk is inherently different given he had a reconstruction & revision on his knee, he also had surgery on both shoulders and was an older prospect at 24.  Teams were hesitant, and at their own detriment, because he's balling out.  And he was still a top-100 guy so it's not like some Trey Smith type fall.  

A dare say a RB coming off an ACL injury is at higher risk than a LB to re-injure the knee due to cutting, shifting, stutter stepping etc...  That bore itself out.  I get the shoulder surgeries with Wilson, but he was/is healthy and had dropped to the point where the risk was worth the selection.  If he had a clean medical, Wilson would have been a late first rounder.

[PappyMay]

Brooks was exciting for all of 6 plays. Hurts to see that many hits in the 2nd. I was all for Ladd over XL. Just Bryce is a timing guy and seems like route routing would matter more than athleticism. 

[VintagePanther]

Yall love tearing down our own to gas up other teams trash . Troy Franklin had 28 catches this year with a world breaking 2tds . XL is a so called bust and doubled his numbers across the board lol 

Edited January 13 by VintagePanther

[Bear Hands]

10 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

A dare say a RB coming off an ACL injury is at higher risk than a LB to re-injure the knee due to cutting, shifting, stutter stepping etc...  That bore itself out.  I get the shoulder surgeries with Wilson, but he was/is healthy and had dropped to the point where the risk was worth the selection.  If he had a clean medical, Wilson would have been a late first rounder.

If your beef is about us taking Brooks over him, then I can get that.  I'm explaining why teams were likely hesitant with him.  Great talent.  

[Cuttinedge]

Our whole scouting dept needs an overhaul   
Id much rather some of the huddlers  be in our coach and GMs ear than who we are paying to do the job 

[Lame Duck]

5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I liked: McConkey, DeJean, Fiske, Frazier, McMillan and Franklin.   All three of the WRs had better tape than XL, yet we traded up and took the guy that needed the most development.  GM, scouts and coaches can't help themselves when trying to 'mold' underdeveloped players. Take the freaking layup and draft the more polished player!

 

Pre-draft analysis… Pre…Draft…

[45catfan]

15 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

 

Pre-draft analysis… Pre…Draft…

You see, if the ball is thrown underhanded and hits him in the jersey with lined with velcro and the defender falls down, his YAC potential is through the roof!

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

McMillan and Franklin weren't first rounders.  Apples to apples, Ladd looks better.  While,yes, he went at the top of second round #34 overall, when we moved up--XL, Coleman and McConkey were the choices and we took XL.   The move up wasn't the main problem, the player that was the rawest of the three that we drafted was my gripe.

Coleman had very similar production to Legette in their respective rookie seasons, but in a much better offensive situation.  If you're acknowledging XL is the rawest of the three, then it doesn't make sense to compare them on the basis of their rookie seasons.  Ladd's floor and ceiling may be mere inches apart (which is still a very good receiver), whereas Legette has miles to go to hit his potential.  So it's all about his trajectory over the next 1-2 seasons.  We're not built to win now anyways, so if Legette can turn into a 1000-yard receiver by Year 3 then that's still a win in my book, even if it took him longer to get there than it did Ladd.

We have obviously been focusing on his drops this year, but also the timing between Bryce and Legette just seemed off at times.  He had his fair share of underthrown and overthrown balls, at a seemingly higher rate than with Thielen, Coker, David Moore, and Tommy Tremble.  I expect the two of them to build their chemistry in the offseason and the production should follow.

[Gapanthersfan]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Only in round one.  Hurney nailed about every one of those.  His hit rate after day one  was ugly.

And that exactly demonstrates how vitally important slamming your first round pick is. Even with the lackluster later round record, the team almost always had enough talent to be competitive. 

He picked Kuechley when they already had Beason and Davis. It’s all about BPA.

In the first, you look for who is most likely to be an all pro, and you pick that guy. At worst, you may have improved a position of strength with younger and cheaper talent. 

[45catfan]

2 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Coleman had very similar production to Legette in their respective rookie seasons, but in a much better offensive situation.  If you're acknowledging XL is the rawest of the three, then it doesn't make sense to compare them on the basis of their rookie seasons.  Ladd's floor and ceiling may be mere inches apart (which is still a very good receiver), whereas Legette has miles to go to hit his potential.  So it's all about his trajectory over the next 1-2 seasons.  We're not built to win now anyways, so if Legette can turn into a 1000-yard receiver by Year 3 then that's still a win in my book, even if it took him longer to get there than it did Ladd.

We have obviously been focusing on his drops this year, but also the timing between Bryce and Legette just seemed off at times.  He had his fair share of underthrown and overthrown balls, at a seemingly higher rate than with Thielen, Coker, David Moore, and Tommy Tremble.  I expect the two of them to build their chemistry in the offseason and the production should follow.

I suspect he's put it all together in year 4 to get a new contract.

[Aussie Tank]

14 hours ago, Lame Duck said:

 

Pre-draft analysis… Pre…Draft…

What your saying is were gonna trade for Treylon Burks 

[Osaka Panther]

OP

any top 1, 2 or 3rd round pick should be playing and contributing to your team.