Jalon Walker player comp: Haason Reddick

[MHS831]

31 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

It’s underwhelming. Jalon Walker is being overrated, I feel. PFF has him as their #27th ranked player 

Walker would be Frankie Luvu.  I am not sure the Jets knew how to use him, and we did.  A good player-a hybrid, but not a pure edge.

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[Shocker]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Walker would be Frankie Luvu.  I am not sure the Jets knew how to use him, and we did.  A good player-a hybrid, but not a pure edge.

Walker is way more than Luvu.  I hate this comparison, Jalon is extremely versatile and a crazy competitive guy.  His motor is nuts and he will be a bigtime LB.  Exclusive pure EDGE…no.   Great LB absolutely 

[ChuckWag78]

The more I read about this kid the more I am sold on him. Rankings have him all over the place, so hard to tell really when he is going to go. Would love to trade down a bit and still pick him up between 12-16. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

Walker is way more than Luvu.  I hate this comparison, Jalon is extremely versatile and a crazy competitive guy.  His motor is nuts and he will be a bigtime LB.  Exclusive pure EDGE…no.   Great LB absolutely 

 While you might be right, your inference here is that Luvu is not what you call Walker (versatile, competitive, motor--Luvu is all of those too).  Aside from that, the Luvu comparison was in relation to the Panthers to give people a player we have had with a similar skill set.  It is biased when you talk about college players (with an average first round non-bust rate of about 53%) as "bigtime...great...and absolutely."  You don't know that, and I would never say that about any player.   What we know:  Walker had a year of production in college and is rated a top 30 player.  Luvu recently signed a $31m contract.  I like Walker too, but I am not hugging his nuts at this point.  

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[MHS831]

58 minutes ago, ChuckWag78 said:

The more I read about this kid the more I am sold on him. Rankings have him all over the place, so hard to tell really when he is going to go. Would love to trade down a bit and still pick him up between 12-16. 

He is probably going to be a good player, a chess piece, but it depends on how he is used.  My point earlier, Frankie Luvu was nothing but a special teams player for the Jets and we picked him up and used him better.  That led to a $31m, 3 year contract.  Same player, different systems. 

[Tr3ach]

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[Tr3ach]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

He is probably going to be a good player, a chess piece, but it depends on how he is used.  My point earlier, Frankie Luvu was nothing but a special teams player for the Jets and we picked him up and used him better.  That led to a $31m, 3 year contract.  Same player, different systems. 

I had a bunch of people arguing with me the other day that he can play a traditional inside or edge,but it's just not the case.  He is a piece that has to go in a creative system to be able to get the most out of him.  I don't think that's us at all, and I compared him to how we could never figure out how to use Chinn.  Different type of player but same situation.

[SOJA]

Again if you think Jalon Walker can play full time edge he is 100% worth the pick at 8. If you're drafting him to play a hybrid role I wouldn't do that at 8. Simple. 

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

He's still way too much of a raw project for me to be on board with at #8, he's not likely to be an impact player for at least a year or two, he's Burns 2.0, a tweener who is going to need a couple years to add bulk/strength to be able to play edge full time in the NFL.

1 year of actual playing time, edge rusher in a MLB body, seems like a 3-4 defensive player who if/when we switch back to a 4-3 in a year or two after we move on from Evero, won't have a natural position for us at that point either.

We need to stop falling in love with high RAS score guys and thinking we're going to turn them into elite players through coaching.

This.  Walker will likely be a good to great NFL player, but he is not a good fit if you consider risk and what Morgan did last year with a raw player.  Is Walker raw?  You could argue either side of that debate, but I also think this:  It is February, and there is a ton of digging to do--many on here have claimed that Walker is their pick, and now we are not discussing players, we are fighting to see who is right.  This is research time--digging and watching and listening. You have not seen the combine yet.  I love the player, but there are pros and cons.  Instead of trying to prove your point all the damn time, try to find someone who can change your mind.  I come here for that reason, not to be right all the time--coincidentally, that is usually the result. 

No disrespect to people who want him, I just look at the big picture and think from Morgan's perspective.  

Last year, Morgan did not pick well when he was drafting day 1-2 offensive players.  He drafted Wallace, maybe his best draft pick and Sanders was low hanging fruit in round 4.  Smith-Wade was a good pick in the fifth, another defensive player who looks to be the nickel at the moment.  Remember, the focus was offense, and Morgan struggled.

XL has 2025 to change that.  I do not think Morgan gives up on XL, and with the addition of Coker and AT's announcement to return, I think he will add a WR or two, just not in round 1. 

Let's not forget, however, that Morgan WAS a LB.  He will think like one when he watches Walker tape.  If Morgan loves Walker's hybrid qualities and Evero gets in his ear, the pick is likely to be Walker--but if he sees him as a LB, Morgan has clearly stated ILB, Edge, S.  as the biggest needs.  When he says "needs" he means starters. 

I love the DL in this draft--watching the combine, OH CRAP.  Deep as hell. S---deep as hell.  This is why I think the first pick will be Edge.  Does Morgan see Walker with abilities to play edge at a high level?  I think it comes down to that.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I had a bunch of people arguing with me the other day that he can play a traditional inside or edge,but it's just not the case.  He is a piece that has to go in a creative system to be able to get the most out of him.  I don't think that's us at all, and I compared him to how we could never figure out how to use Chinn.  Different type of player but same situation.

I compared him to Chinn as well, and several skallers on here screamed, "Different Position" but did not mention why that was a valid point.  It is a criticism of the coaches and system being a match.  I just compared Luvu to Walker (hybrid LBs) and some unbreastfed Huddler said Walker was destined to be a superstar because he is (and he listed characteristics that describe Luvu).  Point?  Luvu was a solid player with the same skill set and we let him walk.  Am I to believe that Walker is the messiah now?  If Pearce is there with Walker, Pearce is the pick. He had a good combine.

Edited February 28 by MHS831

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I compared him to Chinn as well, and several skallers on here screamed, "Different Position" but did not mention why that was a valid point.  It is a criticism of the coaches and system being a match.  I just compared Luvu to Walker (hybrid LBs) and some unbreastfed Huddler said Walker was destined to be a superstar because he is (and he listed characteristics that describe Luvu).  Point?  Luvu was a solid player with the same skill set and we let him walk.  Am I to believe that Walker is the messiah now?  If Pearce is there with Walker, Pearce is the pick. He had a good combine.

Yea i honestly think that if Carter and Graham are gone as expected (even though I've started seeing some mocks lately with Graham falling a little) and we get a good offer to trade back a few spots then I think we should.  Not because I don't like some prospects there but because I feel like there are several with similar value.

[Swaggasaurus]

“He’s a hybrid LB/edge” just screams to me that he has limitations at both. For the fanboys, that’s where the Luvu/Chinn talk comes into play. I’d rather trade back and take Schwesinger in the 20’s or Warren or someshit. It’s at least best player at their position. Maybe Grant….stay put and pick TMac? I just prefer guys with defined positions and knowing you are filling and improving one of 22 positions in top 10. Give me a combo guard in the NBA or as a mid round project in the NFL draft. Seems insane to think that’s a good idea top 10. Hybrid is for weed and werewolves.

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[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

Yea i honestly think that if Carter and Graham are gone as expected (even though I've started seeing some mocks lately with Graham falling a little) and we get a good offer to trade back a few spots then I think we should.  Not because I don't like some prospects there but because I feel like there are several with similar value.

I think we should try to trade back (Carter Graham gone).

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