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Panthers sign Jaycee Horn to $100 million dollar deal


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....and now Jaycee's deal looks like a steal. Been exactly one week. Imagine what it will look like after next offseason. 

Pay your good players to stay. Their deals always look better a year or two later. Don't overpay for average talent. But blue chip talent? pay. 

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54 minutes ago, Icege said:

The "Horn has never finished a season" narrative is ignorant at best, willfully misleading at worst. He would've finished last season had the team been playing into the postseason. He got shut down out an abundance of caution, likely a lesson learned after losing Corbett at the end of the prior season.

you are giving Horn a benefit of the doubt his career history says he shouldn't get.   We don't know he would have suited up if it mattered at the end.  Horn was limited the week prior going into the AZ game.  

and then the only reason you shut him down and only him.....is he so injury prone vs the rest of the field.  Which isn't really a great aspect of Horn.  That he has to get special treatment because he is so easily injured. 

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30 minutes ago, CRA said:

you are giving Horn a benefit of the doubt his career history says he shouldn't get.   We don't know he would have suited up if it mattered at the end.  Horn was limited the week prior going into the AZ game.  

and then the only reason you shut him down and only him.....is he so injury prone vs the rest of the field.  Which isn't really a great aspect of Horn.  That he has to get special treatment because he is so easily injured. 

You're assuming that he shouldn't get credit for being shut down out of an abundance of caution when he participated in the relay race (1/30/25) + flag football (2/2/25) at the Pro Bowl? He was inactive for the Panthers' last two games on 12/29/24 and 1/5/25. He most definitely would have suited up if there was a postseason run coming.

They also shut Josey Jewell down for the final two weeks along with Jaycee Horn. Robert Hunt was also out for week 18. Was it because they're injury prone and need special treatment too? That's ridiculous to assume. This isn't something uncommon for a team with a losing record to do. Hurney especially was notorious for it.

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22 minutes ago, Icege said:

You're assuming that he shouldn't get credit for being shut down out of an abundance of caution when he participated in the relay race (1/30/25) + flag football (2/2/25) at the Pro Bowl? He was inactive for the Panthers' last two games on 12/29/24 and 1/5/25. He most definitely would have suited up if there was a postseason run coming.

They also shut Josey Jewell down for the final two weeks along with Jaycee Horn. Robert Hunt was also out for week 18. Was it because they're injury prone and need special treatment too? That's ridiculous to assume. This isn't something uncommon for a team with a losing record to do. Hurney especially was notorious for it.

Yeah, I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that has been Mr. Glass throughout his entire career here.   I don’t know if he would have suited up if it mattered….because it’s Jayce Horn.  Hunt isn’t Horn.  No one is Horn. 

it’s not dishonest to point out Horn had never played a full season.  He hasn’t.   He barely has played over 50% of the time. 

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24 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that has been Mr. Glass throughout his entire career here.   I don’t know if he would have suited up if it mattered….because it’s Jayce Horn.  Hunt isn’t Horn.  No one is Horn. 

it’s not dishonest to point out Horn had never played a full season.  He hasn’t.   He barely has played over 50% of the time. 

Throughout his entire career? Every player is hurt by the end of the season. You have the fact that he suited up for a meaningless all-star game sitting right there but you still doubt he'd have suited up for the postseason? That's not exactly rational.

He played all of last season and was shutdown in preparation to make sure he'd be healthy for this season when he costs the team $25M. Holding that against him isn't rational. We can hold the totality of it against him, sure. Having two seasons where he missed over 50% of the games is something that needs to be paid attention to. To sit here though and point at last season as a knock against him? Nonsensical.

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2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Throughout his entire career? Every player is hurt by the end of the season. You have the fact that he suited up for a meaningless all-star game sitting right there but you still doubt he'd have suited up for the postseason? That's not exactly rational.

He played all of last season and was shutdown in preparation to make sure he'd be healthy for this season when he costs the team $25M. Holding that against him isn't rational. We can hold the totality of it against him, sure. Having two seasons where he missed over 50% of the games is something that needs to be paid attention to. To sit here though and point at last season as a knock against him? Nonsensical.

Yes.  Throughout out his entire career.  Not sure what you are trying to argue....that Jayce Horn hasn't been Mr. Glass while in Carolina? Jeff Otah while employed started in a higher % of games and he is the historical board meme for not being able to play. 

His cumulative career and not suiting up is the knock.  And given what that has been....I'm not cherry picking last year out and just assuming a guy that never can stay healthy totally would have been there if we needed him. 

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Since the departure of this team’s defensive greats, there has been a gigantic void at home grown talent who has the cred to hold dudes accountable. I see Horn having that quality in spades. 

 when bro showed up out of nowhere to bow up on offensive linemen during the dust up, I saw it. Heart. Leadership. Those guys are gold and don’t just disappear when the ink dries. 

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12 minutes ago, frankw said:

4 extra games and only 8 more starts.

Considering that a win is basically victory lapping a blind kid.

It's a near 10% swing, but if you really want to look at the data, Horne would be trending MUCH better.  Otah missed a completely season and only played 4 games his final 2 years.  Horne just had his healthiest season yet.   Otah's was also a reoccurring knee injury while Horne's were more random.  It's really apples to oranges IMO.  

Honestly I think the comparison was just thrown out there for theatrics and just proven wrong.  No big deal. 

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

It's a near 10% swing, but if you really want to look at the data, Horne would be trending MUCH better.  Otah missed a completely season and only played 4 games his final 2 years.  Horne just had his healthiest season yet.   Otah's was also a reoccurring knee injury while Horne's were more random.  It's really apples to oranges IMO.  

Honestly I think the comparison was just thrown out there for theatrics and just proven wrong.  No big deal. 

Honestly it doesn't change anything for me anyways. It was rather amusing is all considering everything we've witnessed as Panthers fans.

Let's just all agree it would be fantastic to see Horn go on from here to be one of the more reliably healthy players on our roster for the foreseeable future. The odds aren't great but I guess it's all we've got.

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