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89 on T-Mac before the draft


MechaZain
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Love or hate Scout Smitty, 35 minutes of our franchise's best WR talking about the new guy three weeks before the draft is an interesting watch

 

- Steve's choosing his words more carefully now and keeping his favorites close to the chest lol

- Most teams had T-Mac as top reciever in the draft and the only one with WR1 potential.

-  Finesse player in a large body. Compares him to AJ Green. "I love AJ Green." Interestingly Green was considered speedy and Tet ran a faster 40.

- "F****** dangerous in space" per scouts around the league but has trouble getting seperation.

- Below average strength/physicality for his size. Difficulty blocking and against the press.

- Low energy when he's not the focal point.  Smitty actually saw some of himself in him there. I thought this was his best insight.

- High floor. Believes he'll be good at worst. 

 

Summary: A natural at wide reciever with unique athleticism for his size. Question marks around drive and physicality will be the difference between him being good or great.

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I was also concerned about T-Macs effort and body language when scouts talked about it. But after he was drafted, Peter Schrager on the Pat McAfee show did say that he went above and beyond to address those concerns with teams. If the Panthers brought him in for a 30 visit and they are cool with it then fine with me. 

Yes we need to fix our defense but this league is about scoring points, if you don't score, you don't win games. If our defense gives up 30 points a game, then we need to score 31 points every game!!! 

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Just now, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I was also concerned about T-Macs effort and body language when scouts talked about it. But after he was drafted, Peter Schrager on the Pat McAfee show did say that he went above and beyond to address those concerns with teams. If the Panthers brought him in for a 30 visit and they are cool with it then fine with me. 

Yes we need to fix our defense but this league is about scoring points, if you don't score, you don't win games. If our defense gives up 30 points a game, then we need to score 31 points every game!!! 

This is what I need to hear. I can get over taking a different type of receiver top 10. He undoubtably has elite catching ability, balance, and fluidity for all his knocks that typically you don't want to see being drafted so high. But the attitude and body language were killing me because it's so easy to fake it.

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4 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I was also concerned about T-Macs effort and body language when scouts talked about it. But after he was drafted, Peter Schrager on the Pat McAfee show did say that he went above and beyond to address those concerns with teams. If the Panthers brought him in for a 30 visit and they are cool with it then fine with me. 

Yes we need to fix our defense but this league is about scoring points, if you don't score, you don't win games. If our defense gives up 30 points a game, then we need to score 31 points every game!!! 

Any clips of T-Mac talking about that? I'd be very interested hearing it. I have to think that when someone is as much of a focal point of an offense as he was you're almost forced to coast on plays when you're probably not getting the ball.

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3 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I was also concerned about T-Macs effort and body language when scouts talked about it. But after he was drafted, Peter Schrager on the Pat McAfee show did say that he went above and beyond to address those concerns with teams. If the Panthers brought him in for a 30 visit and they are cool with it then fine with me. 

Yes we need to fix our defense but this league is about scoring points, if you don't score, you don't win games. If our defense gives up 30 points a game, then we need to score 31 points every game!!! 

Smith didn't want speculate on his character but he did hear he was a good kid from another scout. Could just be a chill guy like DJ Moore was. 

I didn't know NALO was a nickname thought it was just a motto. Suggests that he does know what he's up against though.

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Just now, MechaZain said:

Smith didn't want speculate on his character but he did hear he was a good kid from another scout. Could just be a chill guy like DJ Moore was. 

I didn't know NALO was a nickname thought it was just a motto. Suggests that he does know what he's up against though.

His 1st presser he told everyone what his friends call him. Even explained what it means and that it's his brand. I guess nobody paid attention or even care.

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1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

- Low energy when he's not the focal point.  Smitty actually saw some of himself in him there. I thought this was his best insight.

Smitty was a lot of things - good and bad - but low energy was never something I associated with him. That's an interesting comment from him about himself.

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I’m not even sure that Bryce is the kind of guy who wants to lob up contested catch passes to a guy like McMillan 

maybe we’ve just never seen him with one, here or at Bama, but this team’s total disinterest in the profile of wideout he has shown such chemistry with is so weird. 

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    • C'mon now.... First, you can't switch up your argument once someone points out a major flaw in your point. You're saying we shouldn't expect a big increase in targets/yards for T-Mac, but then shift to talking about averages with Chase when I point out the significant leap he took there once you factor in his missing games.  He saw an increase in targets in 5 less games, averages aside, he saw a significant increase in targets in his 2nd season, what he then did with those targets is actually irrelevant in this discussion. Puka seeing no increase is pointless, as he saw such an absurd amount of targets for a rookie, it's near impossible to see an increase. But the real issue in this post is that you think I'm proving your point by showing how Waddle had to share targets with Hill. Tyreek Hill was a 1st team All Pro who was 2nd in the NFL in yards that season. If you think Jaylen Waddle sharing targets with a 1st team All Pro and a future HOFer is even remotely in the same category as T-Mac needing to share targets with Coker... then you are certifiably insane, lol. If anything, you could make the argument that Coker is to Waddle as T-Mac is to Hill in that discussion (which would then lead to a serious increase in targets/yards for T-Mac).  But even that is insane, as neither T-Mac or Coker will be as good as Hill and Waddle respectively that season.  I love both of their potential, but c'mon now, T-Mac isn't getting 119 catches for 1,700 yards and Coker isn't getting 117 for 1,350 next season.
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