An honest look at Bryce Young

[frankw]

Unfortunately when the rubber meets the road and the bullets are flying we won't be able to spam these cherry picked charts at the opposing defenses we'll be facing this season.

They've got the game tape folks. They know the tendencies. It's up to Bryce to rise above.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

 By the end of the year he was top 10. I can explain it to you but can't understand it for you too. Again we look for progress you look to complain. No one said he was top 10 since he came back simply that by the end of the season against teams trying to make the playoffs, his numbers were top 10. If you don't believe check out all that was written. It isn't hard to find. Funny Bryce get the least amount of respect from his own fans

So you can explain how he was top 10....but won't.  We need to look it up ourselves? 

I googled it.  Can't find the argument based on stats and facts. 

[KSpan]

On 5/6/2025 at 4:01 PM, CRA said:

So you can explain how he was top 10....but won't.  We need to look it up ourselves? 

I googled it.  Can't find the argument based on stats and facts. 

Three words.

Big... Time... Throws.

/s

[rodeo]

On 5/6/2025 at 4:01 PM, CRA said:

So you can explain how he was top 10....but won't.  We need to look it up ourselves? 

I googled it.  Can't find the argument based on stats and facts. 

Statistically he was top 10 in a lot of impressive areas after his benching. He was top 10 in passer rating, he was #1 in touchdown to turnover ratio, #6 in PFF passer grade, #1 in high difficulty throws completed, #1 in tight window throw completion rate. The only place he really lacked is the place most people look at QB stats, the yards. But he was near the top in the league in so many categories for that stretch that I am comfortable saying he was a top 10 QB for the latter half of 2024.

Also another stat I was surprised given his height, he was #1 (as in least) in batted down passes.

[CPF4LIFE]

As I been saying, he has to put together a full season of good play this year. No more cherry picking stats of a few games. If we went based off that then most qbs would be top of the league. 

[Icege]

7 hours ago, rodeo said:

Statistically he was top 10 in a lot of impressive areas after his benching. He was top 10 in passer rating, he was #1 in touchdown to turnover ratio, #6 in PFF passer grade, #1 in high difficulty throws completed, #1 in tight window throw completion rate. The only place he really lacked is the place most people look at QB stats, the yards. But he was near the top in the league in so many categories for that stretch that I am comfortable saying he was a top 10 QB for the latter half of 2024.

Also another stat I was surprised given his height, he was #1 (as in least) in batted down passes.

If there's a list of what is considered acceptable data, I would love to see it... because right now it feels like the only stats that are being called "cherry picked" are the ones that support Bryce's progress.

If the tape isn't acceptable and the stats aren't acceptable (unless they denigrate BY9, of course), can somebody let us know what is acceptable aside from the performative cynicism being offered?

Edited 5 hours ago by Icege

[CRA]

7 hours ago, rodeo said:

Statistically he was top 10 in a lot of impressive areas after his benching. He was top 10 in passer rating, he was #1 in touchdown to turnover ratio, #6 in PFF passer grade, #1 in high difficulty throws completed, #1 in tight window throw completion rate. The only place he really lacked is the place most people look at QB stats, the yards. But he was near the top in the league in so many categories for that stretch that I am comfortable saying he was a top 10 QB for the latter half of 2024.

Also another stat I was surprised given his height, he was #1 (as in least) in batted down passes.

What's the cherry pick you are using though? Because it's not just post benching.   

and that's where my issue is, if you are using a tiny cherry pick of post benching vs his peers afforded no cherry picking at all on the year......well, then it just a bunch of fun to be had.  

I mean, I'm not really looking to keep this one going.  My point isn't to bash Bryce.  But he was just about as average as it gets the overwhelming majority of his post benching play in reality.   Which was a HUGE leap for him and worthy for us to be excited about.   The final 2 games of the season where a great ending that he hopefully care momentum forward in.  But that's not a big enough resume where anyone outside a segment of the Panther fanbase would by top 10 play of. 

 

[CRA]

8 hours ago, KSpan said:

Three words.

Big... Time... Throws.

/s

Sure, but even that is vague and subjective.  Because there definition is vague and subjective.   So I assume they are counting games where a 50/50 jump ball that falls complete is a big time throw.

because that best deep passer week 12 is just sort silly in the grand scheme.  He went 2 of 7.  So they have to count those passer which create sort of a bull argument 

[panthers55]

On 5/6/2025 at 5:01 PM, CRA said:

So you can explain how he was top 10....but won't.  We need to look it up ourselves? 

I googled it.  Can't find the argument based on stats and facts. 

Yeah PFF has him ranked the fifth best qb since week 9 which has been posted already.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/advanced-analytics-bryce-young-superstar

 

We find what we are looking for. Took me a minute or less to find it. I bet you want to argue with this too. Found 2 more articles ranking him 11th and 14th but didn't include them since you wanted top 10.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sure, but even that is vague and subjective.  Because there definition is vague and subjective.   So I assume they are counting games where a 50/50 jump ball that falls complete is a big time throw.

because that best deep passer week 12 is just sort silly in the grand scheme.  He went 2 of 7.  So they have to count those passer which create sort of a bull argument 

The Chiefs game?  Where are you getting 2-7?  Just glancing at the box score Moore has a long catch of 21 yards, AT 36 yards, XL 34 yards, and JT 28 yards.  Were these all YAC receptions?  I'd be surprised to see that since we typically were terrible at YAC....  I guess another question is what is considered a "deep" pass because I think the league and some fans have different opinions on that. 

It's all arbitrary as people all have different opinions on the data that makes up these stats.  All I know is he was able to open up the offense more by pushing the ball down the field.  Something he was reluctant to do before his benching.

[WUnderhill]

Finding positives in Bryce’s most recent play which constitutes over a third of his career so far = cherry picking. Obsessing over the negatives of his rookie season and first 2 games of sophomore season = the only acceptable way to form an outlook on Bryce Young. Makes total sense. Wish you guys would stop cherry picking only his NFL stats! You can call pretty much anything cherry picking it’s not hard.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Yeah PFF has him ranked the fifth best qb since week 9 which has been posted already.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/advanced-analytics-bryce-young-superstar

 

We find what we are looking for. Took me a minute or less to find it. I bet you want to argue with this too. Found 2 more articles ranking him 11th and 14th but didn't include them since you wanted top 10.

4th best passing grade when throwing over 20 yards is a big one there!  That's one I was looking for earlier. 20 plus yards should be more than enough to be considered a "deep" ball.  Averaging the grade over 10 games shows he is capable of incorporating that into his overall game.  I would think TMac will help this as well.  Definitely curious to see how it all unfolds this year. 

[CRA]

53 minutes ago, Icege said:

If there's a list of what is considered acceptable data, I would love to see it... because right now it feels like the only stats that are being called "cherry picked" are the ones that support Bryce's progress.

If the tape isn't acceptable and the stats aren't acceptable (unless they denigrate BY9, of course), can somebody let us know what is acceptable aside from the performative cynicism being offered?

I don’t think there is a single poster arguing against his clear progress last year.   That’s not what is being argued when people dismiss this top 10 play narrative.  And you have to cherry pick hard to get there and largely exclusively  use PFF most subjective deep dives to get there.  And the best example of that is their week 12 best deep passer stat line…..when in reality went 2 for 7 no TDs in a week where folks were factually much better  

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I don’t think there is a single poster arguing against his clear progress last year.   That’s not what is being argued when people dismiss this top 10 play narrative.  And you have to cherry pick hard to get there and largely exclusively  use PFF most subjective deep dives to get there.  And the best example of that is their week 12 best deep passer stat line…..when in reality went 2 for 7 no TDs in a week where folks were factually much better  

Look above. He was ranked top 10 by PFF which everyone uses until it doesn't serve their purpose Why not just admit you were wrong instead of doubling down and looking worse.