Panthers start making cuts to roster

[shaqattaq]

13 minutes ago, PanthersNCSU said:

Corbett is on a one year deal, which is twice as long as he'll be healthy based off of his career. 

I like Mays, a lot. But he was thrown into center because of the above. 

Christensen I guess is your 3rd? Another one year deal, who's maybe our LT, maybe our LG, etc. depending on injuries. 

Mays is on a 1 year deal also.

[RumHam]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You serious Clark? Stacked?

We have a second year 4th rounder who showed some flashes as a rookie. A #2 who is primarily a blocker who has under 800 career receiving yards through four seasons, and now we've added a 5th round rookie to the mix. I mean, there's potential there. There's reason for cautious optimism. But stacked? Definitely far from stacked.

I mean, let's be honest... how many starting TEs across the league wouldn't immediately be penciled in as the starter on this roster?

sounds like panthers twitter. everyone is all 99's until someone pisses them off.

[Stingray3030]

2 hours ago, thennek said:

Or Eric Shelton....another 2nd rounder in Panthers legacy.

The 2nd round picks of this team are nothing but a death sentence for your career!  Seems like after Foster we have like a 10% success rate with 2nd rounders.

[33inNC]

2 hours ago, Cuttinedge said:

Just being rid of Ian Thomas from the TE group makes it stacked .. lol 

This. They better not even think about bringing him back if they are short on TE's. 

[Basbear]

15 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

The 2nd round picks of this team are nothing but a death sentence for your career!  Seems like after Foster we have like a 10% success rate with 2nd rounders.

It's God awful, I think kalil(which was a total unseen fall and they just gave hartwig top C money), moose, Rucker, bradberry, Samuel, KK, Moton,......... that's more than I thought, maybe not God awful.....Im sure I miss a couple more too. I still feel its vastly below where it should be....

 

man I missed - Jenkins, minter, I don't feel foster should be here.. Marshall is the same feel....but I understand if some put him here.

So that's 10(.5 for foster&marshall) out of 30, you nailed the 10% number.... I league wide its 25%-20%....so doubled what the Panthers do....

*trades that effected 2nd rounders pool. 

Edited yesterday at 08:56 PM by Basbear

[Prowler2k18]

34 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

The 2nd round picks of this team are nothing but a death sentence for your career!  Seems like after Foster we have like a 10% success rate with 2nd rounders.

I hope Scourton can change that! 

Edited yesterday at 09:09 PM by Prowler2k18

[Aussie Tank]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You serious Clark? Stacked?

We have a second year 4th rounder who showed some flashes as a rookie. A #2 who is primarily a blocker who has under 800 career receiving yards through four seasons, and now we've added a 5th round rookie to the mix. I mean, there's potential there. There's reason for cautious optimism. But stacked? Definitely far from stacked.

I mean, let's be honest... how many starting TEs across the league wouldn't immediately be penciled in as the starter on this roster?

It will look better when we trade for Kmet 

[Basbear]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It will look better when we trade for Kmet 

I think he's already been traded...( I looked a couple weeks ago, but I suck at this stuff now)

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It will look better when we trade for Kmet 

Better not be for much to take on $12M cap hit to trade for a guy that just felt the need to spend a top 10 pick to replace.

[Stingray3030]

13 hours ago, Prowler2k18 said:

I hope Scourton can change that! 

Me too!  I think he will - I love that we got Princely too so they have genuine comradery and push each other.  And if they struggle we have Wonnum and Pat Jones who are consistent, effective starter-caliber right there.

[kungfoodude]

19 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

It's a good sign when a couple years ago fitterer left the cupboard bare everywhere and now some positions might actually be stacked like imo wr, te, d line and maybe o line. There is work to do but the arrow is slowly pointing up

Those WR, TE and D-Line takes are, diplomatically, WILDLY optimistic. I certainly hope that is the case but I think you flip through 10-15 teams 2 deep charts that is going to look less probable.

I definitely hope you are right, I just don't look at those rosters and see anything close to that.

[MHS831]

Sorta related.  I just looked up a stat:  Success rates for NFL draft's second rounders.  I was surprised that it is 49%.  The success rate for first rounders is 58%.   Here success does not mean those that did not bust, it means that roughly half of the players selected in the second round become full-time starters at some point in their careers.  Busts do that too.  However, considering the fact that a first round talent is worth up to 1800 points (first overall pick) more than the first pick of the second round and as low as 350 points (last pick in first round) higher than the last pick in round 2, it seems there could be cases in which it would be to your advantage to trade out of round 1 and draft two or three second rounders for the value.  Of course, the elite players are likely to be gone, and some positions overwhelmingly suck after round 1 (traditionally, like QB or LT, for example), but if you need to find starters at positions like DT, G, LB, S, C, TE, RB, etc, there could be a time when you trade back for more starters.  I was surprised that the margin between rounds 1 and 2 was only 9%.   

While I realize that some of you sofa scholars are thinking, "Well duh?  Trading back gives you more players." as you wipe the Cheetos off your shirt.  Not the point.  The point is you have to consider the draft,the needs (and the number of them), and you need to scout the second and third rounds like you do the first, the cap, and the long-term impact.  If you can find 2 players with a 49% chance of becoming a starter, are you better off than drafting one player who has a 58% chance in the long term?

So if I traded away my first rounder for two second rounders (a trade most teams would make) regularly, when I got 10 second rounders (by trading 5 first rounders), 5 would be starters.  If I did not trade and kept my 5 first rounders, 3 would be starters.  Furthermore, their rookie contracts would be much cheaper than the 5 first rounders. 

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Those WR, TE and D-Line takes are, diplomatically, WILDLY optimistic. I certainly hope that is the case but I think you flip through 10-15 teams 2 deep charts that is going to look less probable.

I definitely hope you are right, I just don't look at those rosters and see anything close to that.

Obviously, all "stacked" comments need to come with the disclaimer "compared to last year". I said elsewhere that when your coming from historically shitty... average looks really, really good! All 3 of those positions are light years ahead of the 2024 season! And that's good enough for me...for now.

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Sorta related.  I just looked up a stat:  Success rates for NFL draft's second rounders.  I was surprised that it is 49%.  The success rate for first rounders is 58%.   Here success does not mean those that did not bust, it means that roughly half of the players selected in the second round become full-time starters at some point in their careers.  Busts do that too.  However, considering the fact that a first round talent is worth up to 1800 points (first overall pick) more than the first pick of the second round and as low as 350 points (last pick in first round) higher than the last pick in round 2, it seems there could be cases in which it would be to your advantage to trade out of round 1 and draft two or three second rounders for the value.  Of course, the elite players are likely to be gone, and some positions overwhelmingly suck after round 1 (traditionally, like QB or LT, for example), but if you need to find starters at positions like DT, G, LB, S, C, TE, RB, etc, there could be a time when you trade back for more starters.  I was surprised that the margin between rounds 1 and 2 was only 9%.   

While I realize that some of you sofa scholars are thinking, "Well duh?  Trading back gives you more players." as you wipe the Cheetos off your shirt.  Not the point.  The point is you have to consider the draft,the needs (and the number of them), and you need to scout the second and third rounds like you do the first, the cap, and the long-term impact.  If you can find 2 players with a 49% chance of becoming a starter, are you better off than drafting one player who has a 58% chance in the long term?

So if I traded away my first rounder for two second rounders (a trade most teams would make) regularly, when I got 10 second rounders (by trading 5 first rounders), 5 would be starters.  If I did not trade and kept my 5 first rounders, 3 would be starters.  Furthermore, their rookie contracts would be much cheaper than the 5 first rounders. 

TLDR... 1 dime is better than 2 nickels.