PFF ranks the 2025 starting QBs

[CRA]

57 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

 Watching the games, CJ and Bo didn't look better than Bryce the last 8 games to me. Now Jayden was friggin lights out. That kid can spin it. 

flip side of that coin, I wouldn't say Bryce looked better than Nix either though

[shaqattaq]

12 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Thank you! Bryce proved himself and earned the right to go into this season as the unquestioned starter.

At some point, only haters with an agenda could watch what Bryce was able to do down the stretch with the cast he had to work with and not be impressed.

Everything could change this season depending on how it plays out, but the idea that he hasn't shown anything is nonsense.

Now is the real challenge for Bryce... being able to replicate and play at that level consistently.

Im excited to see how it unfolds, and hopeful Bryce is going to play like he did down the stretch this year.

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce can put up yards. Panthers receivers had the lowest YAC in the NFL, and Bryce specifically lost the most yards off of drops in the NFL last season, even after missing 5 games. The stats will come once the receivers improve. 

YAC isn't just on the reciever

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

flip side of that coin, I wouldn't say Bryce looked better than Nix either though

Yeah, Bo surprised me a lot. I don't like his game, but it's effective. He's a real gunslinger!

[Navy_football]

4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

YAC isn't just on the reciever

You're right. The QB and playcaller have alot of input too. 

But screens are a tell. That's just a guy being a playmaker. It was bad. And Canales knew it. You should be able to call a screen to make defenses stop blitzing and being so aggressive. He even tried to get the little speed guy involved at the end of the season because none of the regulars could do anything with the ball in their hands. They had tons of opportunities to make plays and rarely ever delivered. Diontae was elusive, but... Sanders and Tremble seemed like the biggest YAC guys after he left. I remember one play when Legette made a few guys miss, and one long run on a busted coverage by Coker. Neither of them were screens. I honestly can't recall another play where receivers outran defenders after the catch or shook guys in the open field. That puts a lot of pressure on the QB to constantly move the chains when teams stack the box. 

[jfra78]

16 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

You're right. The QB and playcaller have alot of input too. 

But screens are a tell. That's just a guy being a playmaker. It was bad. And Canales knew it. You should be able to call a screen to make defenses stop blitzing and being so aggressive. He even tried to get the little speed guy involved at the end of the season because none of the regulars could do anything with the ball in their hands. They had tons of opportunities to make plays and rarely ever delivered. Diontae was elusive, but... Sanders and Tremble seemed like the biggest YAC guys after he left. I remember one play when Legette made a few guys miss, and one long run on a busted coverage by Coker. Neither of them were screens. I honestly can't recall another play where receivers outran defenders after the catch or shook guys in the open field. That puts a lot of pressure on the QB to constantly move the chains when teams stack the box. 

Bryce doesn't always lead recievers and alot of times they have to stop or reach back to grab the ball.  But your not going to admit that

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

Bryce doesn't always lead recievers and alot of times they have to stop or reach back to grab the ball.  But your not going to admit that

Of course I'll admit that. He doesn't have the strongest arm either. On top of that, he tends to not throw with a lot velocity on purpose, opting to anticipate where the receiver will be rather throwing it to him where he is. 

Will you admit that our receivers (at least in the last 2 seasons) couldn't make defenders miss in the open field?

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Of course I'll admit that. He doesn't have the strongest arm either. On top of that, he tends to not throw with a lot velocity on purpose, opting to anticipate where the receiver will be rather throwing it to him where he is. 

Will you admit that our receivers (at least in the last 2 seasons) couldn't make defenders miss in the open field?

I think they weren't given the best chance to.

[tukafan21]

5 hours ago, Navy_football said:

So 2024 draftees count if they're ahead of him, but not if they're below?

Probably better to just compare him with QBs with equal or less NFL experience? There are only 3 other first or second year QBs ahead of him. So he's 4 of 11, and on the rise. We'll see if Jayden and Bo can hold their spots. Either way, all of them had better receivers than Carolina. Hopefully your boy TMac can help in that department. 

Watching the games, CJ and Bo didn't look better than Bryce the last 8 games to me. Now Jayden was friggin lights out. That kid can spin it. 

The last 8 weeks, Nix had 2,022 yards, 21 TDs, 6 INTs on 70% completions

While Bryce's last 8 games he had 1,709 yards, 12 TDs (albeit adding 5 more rushing), 3 INTs on 61% completions.

I'm not going to pretend I watched those Broncos games to know exactly how Nix actually looked, but in retrospect, his statistics were better.  Hell, in just his final 8 games, Nix had only 5 less TD passes than Bryce has in his 30 game (28 starts) career.

And you said he had better WRs than Bryce did, but I'm not even sure that's even true either.

Sutton and Thielen might be completely different types of WRs, but I'd say they are pretty equal on effectiveness if not even a slight edge to Thielen (63.6 YPG for Sutton to 61.5 for Thielen).  Then XL and Coker vs Marvin Mims and Devaughn Vale, again, at worst a push, if not lean in our favor there too.

Why is it so hard for some Panthers fans to just objectively look at our team/Bryce and be honest with themselves. ?

He was significantly improved the final two months of the season from his first season and a half.  But he was still a below average QB during that time, even if he had a few good throws and clutch moments.

Edited 17 minutes ago by tukafan21