BREAKING: Nic Squirtin' signed

[WUnderhill]

1 hour ago, Camp Fodder said:

Imagine if Mingo and Marshall had guaranteed contracts 

This. People say it doesn’t matter, but it does. If Mingo’s contract was fully guaranteed, the trade compensation may have been completely different. Imagine getting a 6th round pick instead of a 4th. Does that make a difference? Imagine nobody wants to trade for him at all and we have to cut him outright. It matters.

[LinvilleGorge]

Draft better. That's the solution.

The rookie wage scale was a culmination of years of teams sucking at drafting and GMs getting their asses kicked at the bargaining table by players' agents. Now it's happening again albeit at a smaller scale because it's within the framework of the rookie wage scale. There's less room for negotiation but the agents are still carving out wins and setting precedents. It is what it is. Draft better. These 2nd rounder contracts are still a bargain if you draft well and they aren't cap killers even if you draft a bust. It only matters if you Hurney it up and draft 2nd round bust after just after bust.

[csx]

18 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

This. People say it doesn’t matter, but it does. If Mingo’s contract was fully guaranteed, the trade compensation may have been completely different. Imagine getting a 6th round pick instead of a 4th. Does that make a difference? Imagine nobody wants to trade for him at all and we have to cut him outright. It matters.

Mingo was traded and Marshall played 3 of 4 years on the contract so it would only have made a difference of about 800,000 between them. All from Marshall 

[MHS831]

8 hours ago, Doc LRB said:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/panthers-agree-terms-olb-nic-015408606.html

Hope he has a great season!!

The headline says "details"--I am not sure the significant details are in the article.

[TD alt]

ChatGPT and Google AI are saying this:

• Length: 4 years

• Total Value: $8,806,818

• Signing Bonus: $2,899,504 

• Annual Average Value: Approximately $2.2 million per year 

[Davidson Deac II]

If the majority of teams are guaranteeing most of a second rounder's contract, then the impact to our team specifically won't be that bad.  Whether it will be bad to the NFL as a whole remains to be seen.  

[frankw]

Things like this were always an inevitability. It's up to the front office and the scouting staff to stop blowing drafts. If this makes it all the more consequential then honestly I view it as a good thing. Warm that seat up even more.

[Icege]

4 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

Imagine if Mingo and Marshall had guaranteed contracts 

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, TD alt said:

ChatGPT and Google AI are saying this:

• Length: 4 years

• Total Value: $8,806,818

• Signing Bonus: $2,899,504 

• Annual Average Value: Approximately $2.2 million per year 

As an edge, if we get 2 good years (8-12 sacks) out of him, this contract is a bargain.  I think he will be a better pro than college player--Princely is the wildcard.  if he steps in and up, watch out.  

[WUnderhill]

7 hours ago, csx said:

Mingo was traded and Marshall played 3 of 4 years on the contract so it would only have made a difference of about 800,000 between them. All from Marshall 

Did you read my post? I was talking about what the Cowboys would be willing to trade for a fully guaranteed contract may have been less than what we got.

It’s nice to say “just draft better”. I wish the Panthers drafted 7 hall of famers ever year. But since that isn’t the reality, and the reality is the Panthers have had trouble hitting on 2nd rounders their entire history, I’d still like the team have whatever flexibility possible if they bust, and hopefully we also draft better and never have to worry about it.

[CPcavedweller]

On 7/20/2025 at 12:54 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Draft better. That's the solution.

The rookie wage scale was a culmination of years of teams sucking at drafting and GMs getting their asses kicked at the bargaining table by players' agents. Now it's happening again albeit at a smaller scale because it's within the framework of the rookie wage scale. There's less room for negotiation but the agents are still carving out wins and setting precedents. It is what it is. Draft better. These 2nd rounder contracts are still a bargain if you draft well and they aren't cap killers even if you draft a bust. It only matters if you Hurney it up and draft 2nd round bust after just after bust.

I have an issue with this. After the draft, the team has already expended it's bargaining chip on the player. Once the player is drafted, they have all of the leverage on any contract negotiations and the team has already lost that pick, giving the player even more power in the situation. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

I have an issue with this. After the draft, the team has already expended it's bargaining chip on the player. Once the player is drafted, they have all of the leverage on any contract negotiations and the team has already lost that pick, giving the player even more power in the situation. 

 

What's the issue? That's always going to be the case. The NFL teams set the value of these picks through the trade market. Fetching a 2nd round pick in the trade market is a pretty big deal and that's because NFL teams really value draft picks.

[KingKucci]

Bring your goggles!