Evero?!?! Should he be on the Hot Seat

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Tepper is on the hot seat about firing coaches. Dave signed a six year deal and I believe so did Dan. I think he's paying around 4 HCs right now, if rhule didn't get the lawyer memo. 

It's at that point, where average-good-great HC were avoiding the Panthers. Dave was passed over in Seattle and had to take a OC job in TB. One year later, Brian Callahan was rumored to be the main target for Carolina, he took the titans job instead......(that's hella bad). To save face, Dan hired Dave within days to cover the blunder. 

You can always get someone to take a million+ HC job, but are they worth it??

Coach contracts have offset language though…..so it’s not like the billionaire  is really paying them like they are still coaching here.  Rhule went to Nebraska the next year.  Think making more than he was slated for here per year.   Even Frank is back to coaching now

[Cuttinedge]

Should have been fired end of last year they can find better 

[Basbear]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

Coach contracts have offset language though…..so it’s not like the billionaire  is really paying them like they are still coaching here.  Rhule went to Nebraska the next year.  Think making more than he was slated for here per year.   Even Frank is back to coaching now

 

Panthers, I mean Tepper covers the contract tho. Chris Tabor sat out last year and tepper paid him full.

Plus best I understand, in simple terms if RHule signed a 7year(Jay-Z meme) 10 million per deal and is fired. Then Nebraska signed Rhule to a 4 year 7 million per deal, Teppers has to kick in 3 million per year over that span. *But lawyers got involved *

I thought Frank Reich was consulting and if that's so, ACC/team can pay him any salary(1.00 - 500,000)and again Tepper covers the remainder.  Depends on the written language of contract. I do think at one point Tepper was paying Rhule, Wilkis, Tabor, and Frank at the same time. Best I know when a asst coach takes over, they get a new contract cause they are the HC now, more duties and its messy at that point. 

 

I have heard super petty contracts where the former team has to send the former HC one dollar to cover the cost. 

Tepper was in fact blacked ball by many HCs and coaches, no one wants to move their whole family and be fired within a few months(other teams pay too). Especially after all the "love" and pictures and press about how new HC is going to solve all the Panthers problems.  Brian Callahan was the top/only target, but titans gave him a HC contract while Tepper fumbled. Coaches talk and Tepper also fired many assistants, they are just like old women at the hair salon when it comes to talking/gossip.  

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Panthers, I mean Tepper covers the contract tho. Chris Tabor sat out last year and tepper paid him full.

Plus best I understand, in simple terms if RHule signed a 7year(Jay-Z meme) 10 million per deal and is fired. Then Nebraska signed Rhule to a 4 year 7 million per deal, Teppers has to kick in 3 million per year over that span. *But lawyers got involved *

I thought Frank Reich was consulting and if that's so, ACC/team can pay him any salary(1.00 - 500,000)and again Tepper covers the remainder.  Depends on the written language of contract. I do think at one point Tepper was paying Rhule, Wilkis, Tabor, and Frank at the same time. Best I know when a asst coach takes over, they get a new contract cause they are the HC now, more duties and its messy at that point. 

 

I have heard super petty contracts where the former team has to send the former HC one dollar to cover the cost. 

Tepper was in fact blacked ball by many HCs and coaches, no one wants to move their whole family and be fired within a few months(other teams pay too). Especially after all the "love" and pictures and press about how new HC is going to solve all the Panthers problems.  Brian Callahan was the top/only target, but titans gave him a HC contract while Tepper fumbled. Coaches talk and Tepper also fired many assistants, they are just like old women at the hair salon when it comes to talking/gossip.  

Frank is HC at Stanford this year. One year gig but I believe it’s a 4 mill deal. 

I don’t think Tepper gives a rip.  He does  the same thing on the soccer side of things as well.

when your worth 21 billion….a couple million bucks just doesn’t matter.  And if things get weird, Tepper gonna have way better lawyers.  Heck, even if they don’t get weird. 

[Basbear]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Frank is HC at Stanford this year. One year gig but I believe it’s a 4 mill deal. 

I don’t think Tepper gives a rip.  He does  the same thing on the soccer side of things as well.

when your worth 21 billion….a couple million bucks just doesn’t matter.  And if things get weird, Tepper gonna have way better lawyers.  Heck, even if they don’t get weird. 

Yes paying a few guys millions not to coach your team is chair pennies for tepper. 

Still they stop taking your emails, calls, and texts, or most did this past season. 

I'd hate hate hate HATE to be in court against Teppers piggy bank. Apple maybe one of few not scared with their lawyers. 

 

https://www.wcnc.com/article/sports/nfl/panthers/matt-rhule-arbitration-lawsuit-carolina-panthers-david-tepper/275-67428987-74c1-4bc6-84ef-86cab811d6ca

Edited August 10 by Basbear

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

3 hours ago, chknwing said:

is wilks available?

I’d actually welcome Wilks back at this point, but I doubt he would ever work for Tepper again 

[drectorscut]

7 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

3-4 sucks. Has always sucked. But it doesn’t help he is a terrible defensive coordinator. 
He should have been fired last year but thankfully this is the last year on his contract. 
We will lose games because of his defense. 

Both 3-4 and 4-3 can be successful. Just look at the Steelers who always have a great defense and have always run a 3-4.

[countryboi]

he should be on the hot seat but not after the preseason, that clock not going to start till the season starts

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Yes paying a few guys millions not to coach your team is chair pennies for tepper. 

Still they stop taking your emails, calls, and texts, or most did this past season. 

 

Yep, you can even hire a recruitings/search  firm…..and the best you can do is just hire in house and someone no other team interviewed. 

Morgan and Canales basically catching strays and I’m not trying to knock them here.  But the reality is…Tepper has sort of set the stage here.  Basically has to bribe folks with overpayment or hope to find gold with someone who can only get the shot because it’s Carolina 

[PadresPanthersFan]

4 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

I never liked the injury excuses. There's always going to be guys that go down in a season on a defense, it's just a question of who and when. 

I won't act like we don't have shitty depth on defense. But at some point, Evero is the common denominator if they suck again. Imagine at any other job, if you're leading a department that constantly underperforms, at some point you are going to be held responsible as the leader and get canned for lack of performance, regardless of what may have caused it. 

Agreed. A good d coordinator makes his players better.

Evero has not made the players hes had better. Instead we set records for suck

[NAS]

Too soon to tell, I was actually pleased with the 1s Defense without DB and Horn.  Certainly I expect this defense to improve by about 10 spots provided they stay relatively healthy 

[Captroop]

I think the fact that Evero is still here also is telling about Canales' job security. If he had a solid position as the HC, I think they'd let Evero go and bring in a DC for the future. 

Giving Evero the last year of his contract to me says if it doesn't work out this season, it's time to clean house and start fresh with a whole new coaching staff. No point bringing in a new DC if that's the case. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Hopefully these judgements aren't being made because the backups looked bad in a preseason game that most coordinators are calling vanilla plays in.

That being said... If we look as bad the first half of this season as last year, fire him at the midway point 

[PleaseCutStewart]

9 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

3-4 sucks. Has always sucked. But it doesn’t help he is a terrible defensive coordinator. 
He should have been fired last year but thankfully this is the last year on his contract. 
We will lose games because of his defense. 

3-4 is heavily dependent on a good NT and good ends to eat blocks to let the LBs do their job while also being able to be creative on run blitzes. Last year, we had nothing but JAGs in the front 7 due to injury. Hopefully the dline should be much better at eating up blocks this year and helping to stop the run.

And I'm pretty sure we still run a lot of nickel despite having a "3-4" defense.