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17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

IDK. That an interesting one to think about. His track record has been to be more patient with GM's than HC's. That's generally why I think DC is more likely to end up on the hot seat first. 

Well, hopefully we just don't find out.

David Tepper once said something along the lines that the league was basically designed for teams largely all be 8-8.  If you are good for an extended period or bad.....it's the people running the show. 

the problem in Carolina is clear

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

David Tepper once said something along the lines that the league was basically designed for teams largely all be 8-8.  If you are good for an extended period or bad.....it's the people running the show. 

the problem in Carolina is clear

It's true. For all his faults, JR was a much better owner than Tepper in terms of cobbling together an averageish or successful team. 

We all thought Tepper would perhaps break the streak of all this average play mixed with good/great seasons. 

Mission Accomplished: We haven't seen either since.

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On 8/12/2025 at 3:16 PM, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, my money is on him getting canned prior to the seasons in an effort for DC to save face. Not suggesting Evero won't deserve it but technically that wasn't a DC guy, he was inherited.

Yeah, that is a growing consensus and I concur. Hasn't shown much more than thin gimmicks(i.e. run scheme), obvious blitzes, and setting up dbs for blown coverages. I feel he could get canned even if we are winning. Maybe I want that scenario. 🤣

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2 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Yeah, that is a growing consensus and I concur. Hasn't shown much more than thin gimmicks(i.e. run scheme), obvious blitzes, and setting up dbs for blown coverages. I feel he could get canned even if we are winning. Maybe I want that scenario. 🤣

I mean, if we get demonstrably better, I can see possibly staying the course. But even with a piss poor defensive roster, we need to dramatically improve for me to want to see more of the Evero Experience. 

There is only so much blaming the roster and injuries anyone is going to tolerate if we are consistently fielding bottom 5-10 units.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

David Tepper once said something along the lines that the league was basically designed for teams largely all be 8-8.  If you are good for an extended period or bad.....it's the people running the show. 

the problem in Carolina is clear

Don't tell that to folks like Icege who continually go out of their way to shine his shoes.

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39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean.....there is no question that is 100% on the players. That's fuging pathetic.

Exhibit A of why Woods was cut....

 

Trying to shoulder knockdown the best WR in the NFL ends up with air

 

Also not sure what the h*ll coverage Horn was playing but covering nothibg after a poo jam 

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

There is only so much blaming the roster and injuries anyone is going to tolerate if we are consistently fielding bottom 5-10 units.

2023 PFF grades for Carolina's defense

  • Defense: 73.0 (15th)
  • Run Defense: 65.1 (13th)
  • Tackling: 32.0 (32nd)
  • Pressure: 71.5 (21st)
  • Coverage: 79.8 (12th)

2024 PFF grades for Carolina's defense

  • Defense: 44.7 (32nd)
  • Run Defense: 37.5 (32nd)
  • Tackling: 43.3 (21st)
  • Pressure: 51.9 (32nd)
  • Coverage: 50.1 (29th)

The 2024 defense was historically bad due to a lack of talent as a result of little-to-no resources being committed during the offseason, poor team building by prior regimes, and injuries to two of its most important players. However, the defense was serviceable 2023 - 2024 with pressure and tackling being the biggest issues (despite not having Jaycee for most of it).

I understand that folks are low on Evero because they desperately want a sacrifice for last season's results, but a step back from the ledge shows that it wasn't all terrible in his first season as DC for the team.

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1 hour ago, Icege said:

It's getting weird how much you love having me in your mouth.

Honestly I think you need to assess how healthy some of this is for you given how you have weaponized the poo reaction in less than a week. You seem pretty toxic. Best of luck with that bud.

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1 hour ago, Icege said:

2023 PFF grades for Carolina's defense

  • Defense: 73.0 (15th)
  • Run Defense: 65.1 (13th)
  • Tackling: 32.0 (32nd)
  • Pressure: 71.5 (21st)
  • Coverage: 79.8 (12th)

2024 PFF grades for Carolina's defense

  • Defense: 44.7 (32nd)
  • Run Defense: 37.5 (32nd)
  • Tackling: 43.3 (21st)
  • Pressure: 51.9 (32nd)
  • Coverage: 50.1 (29th)

The 2024 defense was historically bad due to a lack of talent as a result of little-to-no resources being committed during the offseason, poor team building by prior regimes, and injuries to two of its most important players. However, the defense was serviceable 2023 - 2024 with pressure and tackling being the biggest issues (despite not having Jaycee for most of it).

I understand that folks are low on Evero because they desperately want a sacrifice for last season's results, but a step back from the ledge shows that it wasn't all terrible in his first season as DC for the team.

His defense in year one was a bit of a paper tiger in some respects but the talent drop off in year two was bananas. He has to recover significantly from last year to survive, IMO. And, TBH, it's not gonna be with tremendously more talent.

It's a tough spot. I do think he is as equally to blame as the FO.

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