BREAKiNG NEWS: Panthers interested in trading for Trey Hendrickson

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

fug the Bengals.  They’re not getting a first round pick.  Period.  They’re not.  From anyone.

They might. But I don't see them getting a 1st AND an impact young defender and any 1st they would get would be from a team that expects that pick to be very low in the round.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

As much as we need an impact player from a pass rush perspective this one shouldn't be it as much as I'd love to have him for the next 2-3 years. 31 years old, wants a huge contract, and will cost us a lot to trade for him. No thanks

[45catfan]

26 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

TBH, I am not completely convinced they actually want to trade him. It's either that or they are gonna overplay their hand and it isn't going to work.

You gotta consider that if people REALLY want him, he is close to being a free agent so that you just have to shell out $$$ versus money, a 1st and a player.

 

Remember this is one of three teams that were all-in on Deshaun Watson.  The Falcons bailed because the money got to high.  Tepper bailed because the contract had to be guaranteed in full. Only the Browns were dumb enough to agree to that.  Had the Browns bailed, Watson would be a Panther.

Don't underestimate this team on shying away from absurdly laughable deals.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Remember this is one of three teams that were all-in on Deshaun Watson.  The Falcons bailed because the money got to high.  Tepper bailed because the contract had to be guaranteed in full. Only the Browns were dumb enough to agree to that.  Had the Browns bailed, Watson would be a Panther.

Don't underestimate this team on shying away from absurdly laughable deals.

We're only the 31st dumbest team in the league!!! When and where is the parade?

 

[kungfoodude]

I am failing to understand why we have a portion of the people in this thread so gung ho about this trade.

Can you please logically explain why we should trade the asking price(or anywhere near, for that matter) and what benefit you hope to accomplish?

The downsides seem to be clear(as have been stated by so many).

Contract Price: Likely north of $30 mil AAV and 3+ years.

Age: Will be 31 by the end of the season

Draft Capital: With a roster bereft of proven talent, why give away a 4-5 year cheap and possibly high end future player?

Player Compensation: What young defensive player do you plan on giving up? Horn and Brown are not a 1:1 trade plus the cap ramifications would be bad. What other young defensive players even have real trade value?

Overall Net Benefit: This team is lacking in talent at a franchise historic level. Wins and playoff contention do not seem to be relatively close. So what is the benefit of adding an aging, expensive,  elite pass rusher to a team in which so much more is needed to be a true competitor? When do you expect that to translate to winning seasons?

Really, someone from the pro-trade camp, just give me a logical case as to why this would be a sound idea.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't want any part of trading away a 1st rounder when I'm still not sold on the QB position and if those concerns prove legit it's likely to be a VERY high one.

You wanna be in position to go after Arch Manning?

[45catfan]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You wanna be in position to go after Arch Manning?

The Saints will tank a season or two, if needed, for Arch.  Apparently they want to bring back a Manning really bad.

[t96]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You wanna be in position to go after Arch Manning?

I do.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

You wanna be in position to go after Arch Manning?

sure or any one of the other top picks if bryce cannot get it done.  You got to keep swinging for a qb

[SmokinwithWilly]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

sure or any one of the other top picks if bryce cannot get it done.  You got to keep swinging for a qb

Bingo. Doesn't matter if it's a Manning, Brady or the reincarnation of Joe Namath in pantyhose. We've got to have a starting caliber NFL QB and if Bryce ain't the guy, we will be in the best position to find one by keeping out 1st round picks. For every Dak, Wilson and Brady there's a Weinke, Grier and Corral. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

The Saints will tank a season or two, if needed, for Arch.  Apparently they want to bring back a Manning really bad.

I don't think the discussions they had with their new coach included "fug it, tank for Arch for however long is necessary" plans. 

I also think people are jumping to assumptions on where he will end up AND when he will leave. 

Don't be shocked to see him play his entire college career out or stay in school to duck a bad franchise(including the Saints, BTW).

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think the discussions they had with their new coach included "fug it, tank for Arch for however long is necessary" plans. 

I also think people are jumping to assumptions on where he will end up AND when he will leave. 

Don't be shocked to see him play his entire college career out or stay in school to duck a bad franchise(including the Saints, BTW).

Archie has already said he won't be entering the draft next year. They want him playing four years of college ball like he did and like Eli and Peyton did and I mean, I can't argue against it. I'm definitely not going to argue with the Manning family about how to best prepare a young QB for the NFL. Their formula for themselves sure has worked so far.

[pantherclaw]

19 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Because at 30 (he'll turn 31 on December 5th) he's likely to be past his prime before this team is ready to meaningfully compete all the while it's draining us of cap space and depriving us of draft capital to add younger talent. It's just not a smart move for this organization at this time, but it's the exact type of move we've been making the entire Tepper era where we're more than happy to shoot ourselves in the dick for the future while trying to squeeze 5-6 wins out of a 3-4 win roster. Just brilliant.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think the discussions they had with their new coach included "fug it, tank for Arch for however long is necessary" plans. 

I also think people are jumping to assumptions on where he will end up AND when he will leave. 

Don't be shocked to see him play his entire college career out or stay in school to duck a bad franchise(including the Saints, BTW).

They have a cap debt to deal with.  Tanking won't be hard to mask in the name of getting their financial house in order.  They are 30th next year in cap room and a dumpster fire.  If they want to get that under control, FA is an afterthought.  Why do you think their QB room looks like it does now?  No desire to upgrade.