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Not throwing at the combine was the giveaway

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3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

My deceased father was an All-ACC End and he raised me teaching me football--I never realized how he changed my understanding of the game--however, one thing he said that I will never forget:  The measure of a good NFL QB is this:  "If your team is down by 6 or fewer points in the fourth quarter but has the ball with under two minutes and with 2 timeouts, are you favored to win?  Can he put the team on his back and drive the field for a TD more than 50% of the time?"  If we are down 14-20 and have the ball on our own 20 with 2 timeouts--does Bryce win the game more than 50% of the time?  (It rarely happens).  If not, there is no reason to keep him around.  If he gets hot and we win a few games, he will want major $$$.  While I am not blaming him, I do not see that Alpha at QB.  Sorry.  He has improved, but do we have that Alpha dawg in the huddle when the game is on the line?  That 4th down pass in the end zone tells us what he is--unfortunately.

Even yesterday before his final pick, absolutely no urgency, no alarm bells, not aiming for the sidelines. Just walking up to the line and taking his little check downs for five yards and murdering the clock. 

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18 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

He owes nick Saban and his agent a lot for securing him a bag and his status definitely. He more then likely won't see nothing like that again even if he hangs around the league some more. 

The Saban/Alabama effect is why so many in the media still refuse to even vaguely criticize him.

But someone like Cam Newton got the daggers 24/7 🤔

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40 minutes ago, frankw said:

The Saban/Alabama effect is why so many in the media still refuse to even vaguely criticize him.

But someone like Cam Newton got the daggers 24/7 🤔

he defied Urban Meyer. 

Given what we now know about him is there any question where all those leaks about Cam's personality were coming from?

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5 hours ago, AggieLean said:

I know I’ve got to move on, but Stroud was right there for the taking. Right there.

I don’t get how Bryce could’ve gotten away without throwing at the combine. Bro is 5’10 and weighs between 170 and 180 lbs. Yea, I need to see you throw, my guy. 

To be fair, Houston put up 9 points yesterday.

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I get why the hate is directed at Bryce, but we should all be pissed at the front office(s) who drafted him and continue to put him on the field, while having ZERO contingency plans behind him.  

I don't mind missing on a pick, although this one was particularly costly, but I do care about the staff burying their head in the sand when the writing has been on the wall since the first snap he took.  Again, that's on the staff, not Bryce - he is what he always was.

Throwing at the combine vs air wouldn't have dropped him from #1.  Anthony Richardson dominated the combine and he'll probably never play another meaningful snap for the Colts, rightfully so. 

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52 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

To be fair, Houston put up 9 points yesterday.

Against a team with a top tier defense first game of the season and Houston was coming in banged up on offense really. Its interesting that Houston has actually done less to help stroud the last 2 years in comparison to how the panthers have helped bryce on offense not to mention texans fired the so called guru OC everybody was raving about. They were driving to win that game at the end of regulation yesterday it wasnt for a fumble after a catch by one of the receivers that ended it.

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1 hour ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

I get why the hate is directed at Bryce, but we should all be pissed at the front office(s) who drafted him and continue to put him on the field, while having ZERO contingency plans behind him.  

I don't mind missing on a pick, although this one was particularly costly, but I do care about the staff burying their head in the sand when the writing has been on the wall since the first snap he took.  Again, that's on the staff, not Bryce - he is what he always was.

Throwing at the combine vs air wouldn't have dropped him from #1.  Anthony Richardson dominated the combine and he'll probably never play another meaningful snap for the Colts, rightfully so. 

Always run the chance of a bust...but damn...dont draft a given bust and give up the house to do so....but chrome dome fat jawled suck lips Dipper is a sucker for they unproved hype. Hes showing himself to be a total fool.

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8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, it was but I get it. Top prospects not working out at the Combine has just become the norm. I miss the days of guys like Cam and Luke showing up and putting on a show but it is what it is. I would've loved to have seen what a guy like Travis Hunter runs but in today's environment you're never gonna find out. Hate the game, don't hate the player. The NFL is basically telling these guys they don't need to see them perform at the Combine so they're not. Since the NFL already doesn't care there's no upside for the prospect and only risk. 

It tells me you're not a competitor.

You don't want to go out there and put your numbers up for all to see against your peers? Weak.

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9 hours ago, Jmac said:

Young not participating in the combine didn't raise a red flag? No injury and no reason for not competing? You showcase your talents and prove your value. He decided to hide.

He and his family along with his handlers, decided not to take any chances. His obvious lack of physical abilities and arm strength would be on display next to the competition.

Bryce seems to be a good guy and I wish him the best in life. I blame the owner and front office for drafting him. If a top prospect doesn't want to participate in the combine and is not injured, that should tell you something. 

The red flags were all over his game tape.

Also he might be a good guy, but I just wish he was off my team.

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1 hour ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

I get why the hate is directed at Bryce, but we should all be pissed at the front office(s) who drafted him and continue to put him on the field, while having ZERO contingency plans behind him.  

I don't mind missing on a pick, although this one was particularly costly, but I do care about the staff burying their head in the sand when the writing has been on the wall since the first snap he took.  Again, that's on the staff, not Bryce - he is what he always was.

Throwing at the combine vs air wouldn't have dropped him from #1.  Anthony Richardson dominated the combine and he'll probably never play another meaningful snap for the Colts, rightfully so. 

The guy that drafted him is gone.

The guy that didn't bring in valid competition for him only has his job because he agreed to enable the Bryce Young experiment.

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