WR drops

[PNW_PantherMan]

I'm just not sure how useful it is to grade QBs based on what happens to them.  Grading them on what they make happen seems to track a lot closer to reality.

The entanglement problem is real in football.  It makes it difficult to evaluate players individually.  But QBs have enough agency to make things happen.  And that's what you have to grade them on.

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I want to know if Bo Nix is rated as the worst week 1 on PFF because he hands down was the worst QB this past weekend.  Even moreso than Tua. 

If he's not, then PFF may need to work on their algo haha.  

ESPN has him at 28 and 30 on rating and QBR.  I would absolutely love for him to bust with Sean Peyton in Denver. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

20 hours ago, CRA said:

Only 4 NFL Quarterbacks Sunday had WRs drop passes on Sunday.  

Allen, Rodgers, Tua, and Lawrence. 

3 of those 4 QBs walked away with wins. 

 

 

 

And I'm sure only 1 team had a WR that could have easily gotten both feet in bounds for a catch but didn't because he is a moron and that team lost...

Bryce sucks, but XL might suck even more

 

[Bear Hands]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

ESPN has him at 28 and 30 on rating and QBR.  I would absolutely love for him to bust with Sean Peyton in Denver. 

To be fair, I kind of like Bo but he was BAD this past weekend.

[Icege]

46 minutes ago, CRA said:

but it's pretty obvious, everyone who watches football simply knew....BY didn't outplay Trevor.   It just didn't happen.  And you didn't think it happened.  Because it didn't happen. 

but, if you want to go back after the fact, slo mo film AND you just want things to of been better for Bryce?  Well, you can make that happen.   All you got to do is put on glasses and have the want.   You will find whatever you need.  Well, you know what....maybe he didn't botch that easy throw to Renfrow for a TD.  Maybe it was the pressure that forced a bad throw.  Everyone else could of been better.  It's really the OL that was bad.  Nothing he could of done now that I think about it.  Nevermind he could of just thrown it on time for an easy big play and the pressure wouldn't of existed....or the fact NFL QBs got to make it even with that type pressure.   

 

I've watched everybody that says TLaw outplay Bryce also completely ignore Nijman giving up immediate pressures and mistakes by other players on the offense.

I have no attachment to Bryce. My attachment is to facts, and the facts are that he dealt with more than TLaw did. As a fellow Clemson fan, I've got a much softer spot in my heart for TLaw and the NCG he won his freshman year than I do Bryce and his rough two seasons to start his career in Carolina. 

Have you gone back and watched the all-22 with the intent to figure out what was happening rather than sticking with your initial assessment? Give it a shot. It's much more rewarding than making up conspiracies to continue an agenda.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

I've watched everybody that says TLaw outplay Bryce also completely ignore Nijman giving up immediate pressures and mistakes by other players on the offense.

I have no attachment to Bryce. My attachment is to facts, and the facts are that he dealt with more than TLaw did. As a fellow Clemson fan, I've got a much softer spot in my heart for TLaw and the NCG he won his freshman year than I do Bryce and his rough two seasons to start his career in Carolina. 

Have you gone back and watched the all-22 with the intent to figure out what was happening rather than sticking with your initial assessment? Give it a shot. It's much more rewarding than making up conspiracies to continue an agenda.

But everyone who watched the game generally felt the same way.  You did.  

Did you go back and watch the all-22 for Trevor? Because if your intent to is to go back and figure out why he wasn't better than he was..... you can simply find ways the team didn't help him as much as they could of.....with ease.  Any QB.   

It's now the 3 straight season openers of explaining away why Bryce wasn't as horrific as it seems.  My days of doing the Dwyane Jarrett defense are long over ( I used to be that dude).  I mean, I just don't get what folks are doing at this point with him. 

I have rewatched.  I have rewatched others also rewatching with their takes on it all too.  It's Bryce.   Hyper fixating on a play that you rewatch a hundred times to build the case for the 3rd straight opener of why he doesn't stink as bad as he stunk? Yeah, it's just Bryce.  You really won't need to watch the all-22 in his next stinker to know it's Bryce....when you figure that out on Sunday already. 

 

 

[frankw]

Injuries are going to happen. If a backup left tackle causes Bryce Young to fully revert back to arguably the worst starting QB in the league he isn't the guy anyway. We have the most salary cap invested in the OL for 2025 by a wide margin.

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Injuries are going to happen. If a backup left tackle causes Bryce Young to fully revert back to arguably the worst starting QB in the league he isn't the guy anyway. We have the most salary cap invested in the OL for 2025 by a wide margin.

Crazy when you think about Cam playing behind a defensive tackle in Nate Chandler and Bell. lol

[frankw]

Just now, Shotgun said:

Crazy when you think about Cam playing behind a defensive tackle in Nate Chandler and Bell. lol

That's what I'm saying. Exactly.

I posted this in another thread. But Cam's MVP season we had $17 million and some change of salary cap invested into the OL for 2015. That was 14th in the league at the time. Right now we have $85 million+ invested in the OL for the year and that's even before Icky's upcoming new contract extension. Yet still somehow some people want more for poor Bryce Young. It is truly insane.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

I've watched everybody that says TLaw outplay Bryce also completely ignore Nijman giving up immediate pressures and mistakes by other players on the offense.

I have no attachment to Bryce. My attachment is to facts, and the facts are that he dealt with more than TLaw did. As a fellow Clemson fan, I've got a much softer spot in my heart for TLaw and the NCG he won his freshman year than I do Bryce and his rough two seasons to start his career in Carolina. 

Have you gone back and watched the all-22 with the intent to figure out what was happening rather than sticking with your initial assessment? Give it a shot. It's much more rewarding than making up conspiracies to continue an agenda.

The all-22 is a great help to see who else screwed on a play. It try to see everyone during a play but it's hard to keep up with watching everything live. I saw a lot of bad but I'm sure I missed a lot as well. 

[MRenshaw]

5 hours ago, Icege said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/rapid-reactions-panthers-fall-to-jaguars-in-opener

Do you have any direct evidence that PFF is cooking up their grades to uplift players that the entire company wants to succeed as you've claimed?

 

Pro Football Reference is far more credible than a gambling enterprise like the PFF.