Panther fans sound off on Bryce

[Navy_football]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cards weren't really blitzing that much the entire game.  The ones they sent just wrecked Bryce. 

My opinion is you are over fixated on what happened as we got close to the goal.   The one possession we had in the 3rd quarter? That was a freebie to get down there.  It was literally just checkdowns to the TE when we weren't running the ball down... taking up the entire quarter.  Next quarter Cards were inviting the exact same behavior.  Which is why you got those back to back clock eating small ball 14 play drives.  Featuring RB and TE easy catches. 

Right! They really didn't send more than the front 4/5 the whole game. The first 2 times they did, and Carolina was passing, were BIG plays for them. Agree. 

I only mentioned the TD plays because they're scoring plays, and they tend to carry more weight. The main point is they were not sitting back in soft zone with everyone 20 yards back for 3+ quarters. They ran a lot of man and every completion wasn't a gimme. There were some tight window anticipation throws. He avoided pressure and made good throws - some were caught, some weren't. The bigger concern is he needs to take care of the dang ball. This isn't the Bryce we saw his rookie year or the first 2 games last year. That guy was afraid to throw the ball in a tight window or down the field. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 9/16/2025 at 8:24 AM, hepcat said:

Who is a bigger bust than Bryce Young? Who???

For the aggregate cost paid vs value gained, he is, by far and away, the biggest draft bust in maybe the history of sports. 

Trey Lance?

[d-dave]

22 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Facts. Someone just offered me their ticket to Sunday's game and I told them nah... I'm good. Im not expecting much from this team to want to go. 

I can't imagine going now.  I love my team, and I watch them as I can.  But going downtown, paying for parking, food, snacks, drinks, etc inside and outside of the stadium...No thanks!

[SmokinwithWilly]

23 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Trey Lance?

 Young cost a 9, 1 and a proven WR1 plus the 2nds. The 9ers weren't in a position that missing on that pick was going to be devastating because they still had Jimmy G. He was a bust pick, but not as big IMO because the expectations weren't as big and immediate. 

[CRA]

36 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

. The main point is they were not sitting back in soft zone with everyone 20 yards back for 3+ quarters. 

Yeah but not one poster has framed it that way.  Starting in the 3rd quarter the Cards did invite the Panthers to take cheap checkdowns to eat clock and the Panthers did it.   And the strategy worked perfect in the 3rd.   14 play drive of TE/RB dumps and the entire 3rd quarter was gone.    Cards then carried the same strategy into the 4th.  It just didn’t work as well for them because what of what the rest of the Card team did 

3 drives is what we are talking about.  Not 3 + quarters.  Those 3 drives were the bulk of Bryce’s production.   Literally every play wasn’t a freebie.  They weren’t trying to let Renfrow get into the endzone once they got all the way down. But Renfrow was down there because the Cards just wanted us to take the dump plays the gave us to run clock. 

When the Cards didn’t want us to eat clock we couldn’t do diddly vs a meh D 
 

 

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Yeah but not one poster has framed it that way.  Starting in the 3rd quarter the Cards did invite the Panthers to take cheap checkdowns to eat clock and the Panthers did it.   And the strategy worked perfect in the 3rd.   14 play drive of TE/RB dumps and the entire 3rd quarter was gone.    Cards then carried the same strategy into the 4th.  It just didn’t work as well for them because what of what the rest of the Card team did 

3 drives is what we are talking about.  Not 3 + quarters.  Those 3 drives were the bulk of Bryce’s production.   Literally every play wasn’t a freebie.  They weren’t trying to let Renfrow get into the endzone once they got all the way down. But Renfrow was down there because the Cards just wanted us to take the dump plays the gave us to run clock. 

When the Cards didn’t want us to eat clock we couldn’t do diddly vs a meh D 
 

 

Roger that. So 3rd quarter and on? No poster has framed it that way either. All I've heard was all of his yards were garbage time stats.

Would it help if I showed the presnap defensive alignments starting in the 3rd quarter? Again, not trying to argue or show anyone up. Just trying to inform.

For the record, this is the first offensive play in the 3rd quarter. Only 1 defender 10+ yards deep. 8 defenders are within 5 yards of the LOS. That is nobody's prevent formation, giving up everything underneath to TEs and RBs. 

 

I can do the entire drive if you want. Let me know.  Here's 3rd down of that drive. Press with 7 on the LOS. 

 

[frankw]

Just now, Navy_football said:

For the record, this is the first offensive play in the 3rd quarter. Only 1 defender 10+ yards deep. 8 defenders are within 5 yards of the LOS.

It's almost like they have no fear or respect for Bryce's arm.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

It's almost like they have no fear or respect for Bryce's arm.

I don't know if they did or didn't. I do know they weren't giving up everything underneath. 

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I don't know if they did or didn't. I do know they weren't giving up everything underneath. 

The Jaguars defense handled him similarly. They actually didn't even blitz much.

Ultimately this boils down to how long the coaches will allow this to continue and when not if they pull the plug. Things with the OL and receivers are not ideal but there is talent here and there are still opportunities and plays to be made. Bryce is a nice kid but it's year 3 and his limitations and the ramifications of that across the offense are abundantly clear.

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Roger that. So 3rd quarter and on? No poster has framed it that way either. All I've heard was all of his yards were garbage time stats.

Would it help if I showed the presnap defensive alignments starting in the 3rd quarter? Again, not trying to argue or show anyone up. Just trying to inform.

For the record, this is the first offensive play in the 3rd quarter. Only 1 defender 10+ yards deep. 8 defenders are within 5 yards of the LOS. That is nobody's prevent formation, giving up everything underneath to TEs and RBs. 

 

I can do the entire drive if you want. Let me know.  Here's 3rd down of that drive. Press with 7 on the LOS. 

 

Did we score on that drive?

[Navy_football]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Did we score on that drive?

Yes, that was the first TD pass to Renfrow in the right corner. Here's the presnap defense on the TD pass. 

[Navy_football]

18 minutes ago, frankw said:

The Jaguars defense handled him similarly. They actually didn't even blitz much.

Ultimately this boils down to how long the coaches will allow this to continue and when not if they pull the plug. Things with the OL and receivers are not ideal but there is talent here and there are still opportunities and plays to be made. Bryce is a nice kid but it's year 3 and his limitations and the ramifications of that across the offense are abundantly clear.

Agree he needs to clean up the costly turnovers. My opinion is that he's pretty good other than that. But that's kind of a big deal, so absolutely needs to minimize that stuff or he can't succeed. I don't beat up a QB because he occasionally doesn't see a guy come open. Every QB does that - occasionally. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Agree he needs to clean up the costly turnovers. My opinion is that he's pretty good other than that. But that's kind of a big deal, so absolutely needs to minimize that stuff or he can't succeed. I don't beat up a QB because he occasionally doesn't see a guy come open. Every QB does that - occasionally. 

But a serious question is, does he not see a guy come open because he misses seeing them on the field, which happens to every QB, or, is his vision blocked by the wide bodies in front of him instead of the helmets other QBs experience? For instance missing a wide open Chuba. Did he not see him or could he literally not see him? I tend to think the latter is a far bigger problem than we're being led to believe it is. 

[CRA]

42 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Roger that. So 3rd quarter and on? No poster has framed it that way either. All I've heard was all of his yards were garbage time stats.

Would it help if I showed the presnap defensive alignments starting in the 3rd quarter? Again, not trying to argue or show anyone up. Just trying to inform.

For the record, this is the first offensive play in the 3rd quarter. Only 1 defender 10+ yards deep. 8 defenders are within 5 yards of the LOS. That is nobody's prevent formation, giving up everything underneath to TEs and RBs. 

 

I can do the entire drive if you want. Let me know.  Here's 3rd down of that drive. Press with 7 on the LOS. 

 

down 24 and we get our first possession in the 3rd and what happens? 

run

TE checkdown

TE checkdown

run

run

run

RB checkdown

TE checkdown

run

TE checkdown

incomplete

TE checkdown

run

now on the 4 yard line- Renfrow TD

and POOF!  3rd quarter is over.  That's not a team even trying to get back into the game in reality.  That's just the Panthers taking freebies to make it look respectable in the end and guess what? Bryce gets to pad on 6/7 to his stat line in exchange for making the 3rd quarter disappear. 

Not sure the hyper focus on the depth of the corners.  Cardinals were going to simply drop and allow the easy stuff underneath.  Which they did.  Did they play a random short yardage play a little different? Sure.  That doesn't' mean they weren't just letting the Panthers overall eat clock to bring the game to an end. 

The Cards strategy was fine on D.  You just don't generally see teams implement it as early as they did but they were up pretty big.  It's the other units for the Cards that fugged the plan up. 

again, it's 3 drives,  the ONE in the 3rd quarter and only drive of the entire quarter and the 2 to open the 4th.  Cardinals gave Bryce stuff in exchange for clock  (and the result was slow long drives eating the clock).  The rest of the game? They didn't.  The rest of the game outside of those 3 drives the Cards weren't in garbage allowance mode and Bryce stunk