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Official Week 3: Panthers vs. Falcons Gameday Thread

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27 minutes ago, Castavar said:

With today's performance, you would think it was the defensive side of the ball that we poured all of our resources and draft picks in. Offense looking pretty decent isn't going to cut it. Love the win, but counting on our defense and special teams playing like this every game is wishful thinking. LOVE the win and just going to celebrate for what it is, but Bryce and Co is going to have to step up and make the plays when they are there......we have left a LOT of yards on the field with bad throws and drops. 

There’s always going to be missed opportunities, and yeah I saw some errors from everybody, but it was overall a good day and you’d think we lost this game instead of winning 30-0. First possession TD. Second possession killed by holding and Bryce didn’t complete the 3rd and 7 which is a down and distance that literally nobody in the league expects a high percentage conversion rate. 3rd possession FG, fourth possession Bryce gets the first down but it’s called back by a hold and coaches decide to run clock at the end of the half so basically 3 real first half possessions and the offense scores on 2 of 3 with no 3 and outs. That’s good efficiency just limited opportunities.

2nd half starts with Bryce Young throwing a first down then 2 bad runs and we’re asking our QB to convert a 3rd and 10. Yeah it would be nice if it happened but I don’t expect a high conversion rate from basically anybody. Following offensive possessions go FG, TD, FG.

The offense scored on 5 of 7 real (not end of half/end of game) possessions.

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41 minutes ago, Icege said:

If he's the limiting factor, just name the plays today where that was the case and we can review them when the all-22 drops.

Why in the world would you want to be throwing the ball around when up by two scores and the defense is snuffing out the offense? Bryce threw for over 300+ yards last week and it didn't lead to a dub, plus haters were saying it was against prevent (it wasn't, tape don't lie). It can't be both ways. That's just not rational.

Brother, I think it is intentionally obtuse to think this offense isn’t inherently limited in scheme because of Bryce’s limitations.  The All 22 isn’t going to show us what plays are off the table before the game even begins, and that’s the problem.  To think a team is going to win like this every week in the year of our Lord 2025, is asinine.  Look at a team like Philly.  They are physical, run heavy, and also control the clock via the LOS and run game, but Hurts is a weapon defenses have to respect.  He is capable of consistently making plays on his own and utilizing his supporting cast to the fullest.  Bryce is incapable of that.  If a team stops our run game, we are losing 9 out of 10 times.  To pretend that win is a credit to Bryce is disingenuous.  It just further cements that we have to win ugly with Bryce because we can’t win pretty with Bryce.  And we can say Tet should’ve had a TD on that deep throw because it hit his hands, but name any of the Top 15 QBs or so in the league, maybe even Top 20, and they throw that same pass, Tet is catching it.  We have to dissect ball placement, the definition of a drop vs a bad pass, “hidden yards,” and whose fault was a drop way more than any other time in our history as a franchise, and it’s not coincidence.  Prime Cam out there today?  Hell, Cam post-2017 out there today…  he would’ve gave us an additional 17 points minimum.  Saying we didn’t have to pass is also facetious…  plenty of teams pass in these type of games.  We don’t pass because our coaches want to limit his mistakes, because he is so prone to make them.  If he was an efficient passer, it would be used as a weapon and another prong in our attack.  Instead, it is obvious through play calls and approach, they don’t trust Bryce and that requires your defense, run game, and special teams to be damn near flawless.

Also, imagine being a guy like Renfrow or Tet.  We weren’t up 30+ points all game.  It was still 10-0 at halftime.  There were plenty of passes to be made, and we didn’t want to chance it.  A mark of a franchise QB is that they make everyone around them better.  They elevate the play around them.  Is Tet’s play elevated?  Look at what he does with the ball in his hands.  Problem is, we have trouble getting the ball in his hands.  Same for Renfrow.  I’ve maintained Tremble is a playmaker.  We can’t get the ball in his hands.  Same for JT.  XL’s struggles are in large part due to limitations in the scheme.  Can’t take the top off a defense if you don’t have opportunities to do so.  It’s like buying two or three Ferraris and then stripping the top 6 gears out of them.
 

It all comes down to we don’t win because of Bryce, we win in spite of Bryce.  
 

JStew literally just got on the postgame show and said something along the lines of we didn’t win with/because of Bryce.  Then the other guy gets on and starts trying to hype the game manager angle for Bryce.  This guy is a #1 overall pick.  The defenses of his limitations are tiresome and old.  Even in a win, it is packed full of reminders of how perfect everyone has to play to win with him at QB.  Again, I ask, if the defense is having a bad day or the running game is shut down early, then what?  We’ve seen what happens…  and so yes, I enjoy the win, but nothing has changed.  Bryce hasn’t done anything to disprove the idea that if we have to trust him to win, we will lose.  This game was an aberration, not the norm.  So again, what happens next week?  And the week after?

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7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Brother, I think it is intentionally obtuse to think this offense isn’t inherently limited in scheme because of Bryce’s limitations.  The All 22 isn’t going to show us what plays are off the table before the game even begins, and that’s the problem.  To think a team is going to win like this every week in the year of our Lord 2025, is asinine.  Look at a team like Philly.  They are physical, run heavy, and also control the clock via the LOS and run game, but Hurts is a weapon defenses have to respect.  He is capable of consistently making plays on his own and utilizing his supporting cast to the fullest.  Bryce is incapable of that.  If a team stops our run game, we are losing 9 out of 10 times.  To pretend that win is a credit to Bryce is disingenuous.  It just further cements that we have to win ugly with Bryce because we can’t win pretty with Bryce.  And we can say Tet should’ve had a TD on that deep throw because it hit his hands, name any of the Top 15 QBs or so in the league, maybe even Top 20, and they throw that same pass, Tet is catching it.  We have to dissect ball placement, the definition of a drop vs a bad pass, “hidden yards,” and whose fault was a drop way more than any other time in our history as a franchise, and it’s not coincidence.  Prime Cam out there today?  Hell, Cam post-2017 out there today would’ve gave us an additional 17 points minimum.  Saying we didn’t have to pass is also facetious…  plenty of teams pass in these type of games.  We don’t pass because our coaches want to limit his mistakes, because he is so prone to make them.  If he was an efficient passer, it would be used as a weapon and another prong in our attack.  Instead, it is obvious through play calls and approach, they don’t trust Bryce and that requires your defense, run game, and special teams to be damn near flawless.

Also, imagine being a guy like Renfrow or Tet.  We weren’t up 30+ points all game.  It was still 10-0 at halftime.  There were plenty of passes to be made, and we didn’t want to chance it.  A mark of a franchise QB is that they make everyone around them better.  They elevate the play around them.  Is Tet’s play elevated?  Look at what he does with the ball in his hands.  Problem is, we have trouble getting the ball in his hands.  Same for Renfrow.  I’ve maintained Tremble is a playmaker.  We can’t get the ball in his hands.  Same for JT.  XL’s struggles are in large part due to limitations in the scheme.  Can’t take the top off a defense if you don’t have opportunities to do so.  It’s like buying two or three Ferraris and then stripping the top 6 gears out of them.
 

It all comes down to we don’t win because of Bryce, we win in spite of Bryce.  
 

JStew literally just got on the postgame show and said something along the lines of we didn’t win with/because of Bryce.  Then the other guy gets on and starts trying to hype the game manager angle for Bryce.  This guy is a #1 overall pick.  The defenses of his limitations is tiresome and old.  Even in a win, it is packed full of reminders of how perfect everyone has to play to win with him at QB.  Again, I ask, if the defense is having a bad day or the running game is shut down early, then what?  We’ve seen what happens, and so yes, I enjoy the win, but nothing has changed.  Bryce hasn’t done anything to disprove the idea that if we have to trust him to win, we will lose.  This game was an aberration, not the norm.  So again, what happens next week?  And the week after?

Trumpeting a #1 pick as playing good when all he did was NOT lose the game just shows exactly how low the bar for him is.

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I honestly wish I had just one person in my life that ever believed in me with such certain delusion as the crowd who has enabled Bryce Young to hornswoggle a starting QB spot in the NFL, and then keep him in that role for 2 more years than he deserved.

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