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[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, cranky said:

The Panthers had 320 yards to the Pats 307, they had 21 first downs compared to 16 for the Pats and they held the ball for 35 minutes compared to 24 for the Patriots. 

The offense did more than their part in keeping the Pats offense off the field. 

Except score.  Those stats also includes Dalton's drive where he went straight down the field and scored.  Oddly enough, with the same banged up OL and same thin WR corps that people are using as an excuse for Bryce's struggles. Dalton got 39% of Young's passing yards in one drive.

Edited 2 hours ago by 45catfan

[cranky]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

The offense is supposed to score points.   If all you do is take up clock while the other team scores.....then you are just playing into a bend but don't defensive effort by your opponent.  And you get smashed.  Like we did. 

 

Obviously but that has nothing to do with my response.

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Except score.  Those stats also includes Dalton's drive where he went straight down the field and scored.  Oddly enough, with the same banged up OL and same thin WR corps that people are using as an excuse for Bryce's struggles. Dalton got 39% of Young's passing yards in one drive.

When Bryce scored three TD's against the Cardinals, all you haters would say is it was because the Cardinals let up. It was garbage time. Yet when Dalton comes in, it isn't. Not sure thats a fair comparison. Secondly, I was simply responding to your statement that the offense wasn't doing enough to keep the Defense off the field. I just pointed out you were wrong.

[Shotgun]

15 hours ago, Rubi said:

The current QB can’t complete downfield passes. He can’t see the field , he has no arm strength. He limits everything the offense can do. 

So bench him for someone who can.

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Tell me what Canales has shown you to make you want another year with him. 
 

Convince me of why my next QB should get the Bryce treatment and have 2 HCs in two seasons. 

This right here. I don't care how bad Bryce is - when the team is unprepared every week, taking multiple delay of games because they don't know the playcall, not knowing how to run a 2 minute offense, and calling HB dive plays on 3rd and long, you should fire that coach.

Now go watch what Liam Coen has done with the Jags and you can see a light and day difference between a good rookie-ish coach and a bad rookie-ish coach

[strato]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

When Bryce scored three TD's against the Cardinals, all you haters would say is it was because the Cardinals let up. It was garbage time. Yet when Dalton comes in, it isn't. Not sure thats a fair comparison. Secondly, I was simply responding to your statement that the offense wasn't doing enough to keep the Defense off the field. I just pointed out you were wrong.

That particular observation is fair, acceptable, I can agree with that. Let’s be fair to both the goose and the gander.

I didn’t see the game but I have seen Andy and I have seen (too much of) Bryce. 

The eye test tells me they are not close to the same in non garbage time and Andy is the far superior passer even in his NFL old age. Night and day. He whips narrow ass all day and twice on Sunday. 

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, cranky said:

When Bryce scored three TD's against the Cardinals, all you haters would say is it was because the Cardinals let up. It was garbage time. Yet when Dalton comes in, it isn't. Not sure thats a fair comparison. Secondly, I was simply responding to your statement that the offense wasn't doing enough to keep the Defense off the field. I just pointed out you were wrong.

It would have been more accurate if you left out Dalton's drive. Also, I doubt Bryce could have done anything on that final drive, he was rattled. 

[PanthersNCSU]

43 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Does the good outweigh the bad with DM? and what do you like from Canales so far? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or an Ahole, genuinely asking your opinion. 

Obviously too soon to tell on some of DM's draft picks. There's a lot to be excited about IMO with young guys (All draft picks this year outside of Etienne), and last year's is a mixed bag. 1 and 2 look like busts which he needs to own, but Chau, JT if he can stay healthy, and trading for Mike Jack were all good business in last year's draft. Trevin is the wildcard. Been hot garbage, but improvement. Doesn't help when the Huddle identified better players in a lot of the spots, though. 

Free Agency I think has been decent. I think he's filled what holes he can while not being crazy. I think the defensive players we signed this offseason were again good business, but I'm also worried Evero may ruin them. 

As for Canales, the locker room at least seems to believe and is still saying the right things. Patience is obviously running thin, and I don't love a lot of Canales, but until there's mutiny I just think he gets another year and likely another QB to prove it. 

One part of me is on team blow it up again. But another part is stuck on just being patient and letting it play out. Unless we get a Tomlin/Vrabel proven coach, another GM and Coach combo just feels exhausting at this point. A good QB covers a lot of ills, but so does a good coach. Chicken or the egg, and frankly I don't have confidence in Tepper to hire another coach anyway. 

[Panthering]

Canales needs to put on his big boy pants again and probably bench Bryce at some point this season. I gave him credit for that last season and it worked, but he's going to lose the locker room again if he keeps trotting BY9 out there. I don't think anyone in the building or the fans can really take this anymore, it'll cost him his job. 

I think Canales has a ton of issues that mostly come down to getting this HC role too early in his career. But I want some continuity and I want to see him with a different QB, one that's actually NFL starter level.

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, catnip said:

Amen to that brother .  Is there any QB we can bring in before the trade deadline ?  Anyone is better than what we have .  Mr Tepper , you made a mistake in Bryce . We all make them . Its what we do to correct it before you lose all the fan base .

No. Its too late to bring in someone to learn the system and have them start right away. DC and Dan made their bed so it is what it is.

[cranky]

48 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

It would have been more accurate if you left out Dalton's drive. Also, I doubt Bryce could have done anything on that final drive, he was rattled. 

I agree about him being rattled.

 

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, cranky said:

the offense is also the one unit that has been bad every single game

Not  nearly as bad as the defense. They set a record last year for points allowed last year in case you didn't hear.

One unit, has had all of our resources dumped into it the last several years as the expense of having a well built team.  That’s our offense.  

Tershawn Wharton, 54 million

Tre’Von Moehrig 51 million

Patrick Jones II 20 million

Bobby Brown III 21 million

These were all signed before the season to bolster the defense and the defense gave up 3 rushing TD's and 2 passing TD's yesterday with Drake Maye going 14/18 passing. 

And again, ST gave a TD and good field position on punts.

Again, I am not defending Bryce's play yesterday. He didn't play nearly good enough but the teams problems go way beyond just him. 

It's both. It's all bad. Or mostly beyond a few players.

[Camp Fodder]

20 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

This is an example of the difference between a HC vs Coordinator. Vrabel is HC material, Canales is trash. Pats and Carolina is very similar in regards to talent. Better coach won today. 

Except QB. Maye is far better

[BIGH2001]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Here's the thing. It ain't just Bryce. Sure, he's not going to make it as starting QB in the NFL, but there's a whole team out there. And that's what we saw on display, again.

Those guys, outside of the originally scripted first 10 plays, couldn't do anything. They were unprepared to play, they were badly coached in the moment and reverted to bad efforts in all three phases of the game. It was just bad.

And that's on the coaches. And management.

It's time to go ahead and blow this whole thing up. Let Morgan go first, get a new GM. Then get a new coaching and scouting staff.

As much crap as Fox, Rivera and Hurney got, they were never, ever as embarrassingly bad as we have been for years now. This is the softest team in the league, most poorly built and least capable of finding their cojones. 

It's time this was done and over with. Yes, seven coaches in seven years would become eight. Sad as that is, we have no choice but to continue fishing until we suddenly catch something.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Tomlin will be freed at the end of the year and Tepper will back a truck up to the man's bank account and just avalanche the dollars at him until he signs.

I wonder why guys like Nick Scott, DJ Johnson and Rozeboom are even on the team, much less playing significant snaps. Seems like  it would take a minuscule amount of effort to find anyone who is better when we are building a roster.