PFF Grades for Week 3 @ NE

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

There are so few official stats in football. The rest are subjective and debatable, it'snever going to be baseball because there are too many moving parts every play. PFF makes money off selling the certainty that their stuff is trustable and usable. First betting or fantasy and now they are targeting teams. You don't bring that in house unless you are a sucker or lost objectivity IMO. 

And even in baseball they already went full circle.  Everybody figured out analytics was the way to go, and now everybody's making decisions the same way.  So now what differentiates you as a team if you're just crunching the numbers like everyone else?  Oh yeah like actual knowledge of the sport and experience with what works and what doesn't.  So ultimately it's circled right back to old guys sitting in a room talking about who's got a hotter girlfriend.

[Tbe]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

A 0.0 on 10 pass block snaps is insane. If things slow down later today I'm hoping to get a chance to start watching the all-22. The review thread is not going to be fun to have to put together this week.

Someone on YouTube looked at the oline all 22. At times, the patriots were only rushing 3 and getting immediate penetration from all 3 guys.

[LinvilleGorge]

Here's a good example of a 0.0 pass block from yesterday's games..

 

[Swaggasaurus]

HahahahahahhhahahaRozeboomandWallacehahahahhaa

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Swaggasaurus said:

HahahahahahhhahahaRozeboomandWallacehahahahhaa

It's pretty impressive how ass they are when our GM was a great LB.

[L-TownCat]

4 hours ago, Icege said:

What more do Brady Christensen and Lathan Ransom have to do to stay on the field?

Why did we even re-sign BC?  Did he finger somebody’s butthole?  Steal someone’s dog?  Kick a coach’s grandma?  The reluctance to play him is baffling.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Best of the offense

1. RG Brady Christensen: 83.5

2. RT Taylor Moton: 75.0

3. TE James Mitchell: 74.9

4. WR Tetairoa McMillan: 70.5

5. QB Andy Dalton: 69.1

[TheSpecialJuan]

Worst of the offense

16. WR Hunter Renfrow: 59.1

17. WR Brycen Tremayne: 55.5

18. WR Dalevon Campbell: 53.8

19. QB Bryce Young: 53.7

20. RG Chandler Zavala: 47.5

[TheSpecialJuan]

Worst of the defense

14. CB Mike Jackson: 47.2

15. OLB DJ Johnson: 39.9

16. OLB Princely Umanmielen: 37.6

17. ILB Trevin Wallace: 30.0

18. ILB Christian Rozeboom: 26.5

[TheSpecialJuan]

Best of the defense

1. DL Derrick Brown: 83.7

2. DL A'Shawn Robinson: 80.4

3. OLB Boogie Basham: 72.9

4. DL Tershawn Wharton: 66.8

5. S Tre'von Moehrig: 62.1

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In house analytics are probably the only ones that should actually matter because that analyst can work hand in hand with the coaches breaking down the film. I like PFF as a statistical aggregator much more than I rely on their grades. Their grades tell me the opinion of PFF and how their accumulative play by play grading system viewed that game, season, whatever. The bigger the data set the more useful that grade is going to be but it's always going to be flawed. It'll give you a very high level overall idea, that's about it. If a guy grades really well in coverage for the season he probably is a really good coverage guy and vice versa. They can basically tell you if a guy is really good or really sucks and then there's a ton of gray in the middle and you have to figure out how that guy is going to translate in the role you have in mind. For instance, you don't want to sign Moehrig planning on primarily using him as a deep FS.

I just don't want PFF's analytics guys tho. Give me number crunches and not guys selling their angles. Hard pass on that. I would rather take analysis from non financially biased people. 

[amcoolio]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When you don't have a QB you don't have a chance so yeah, if the QB you invested massively into giving up a lot of roster building capital to acquire sucks then yeah, that's your biggest problem in terms of roster issues. Keep making excuses for Bryce and coming up with new and increasingly entertaining mental gymnastics to try to cover for him but it is what it is. We would have hope if we had a QB. We were ass Cam's rookie year but we were all excited because we knew we had a QB. All other roster deficiencies are easy fixes compared to QB.

Derailing threads? Man you derailed your own thread in your initial post. LOLOLOL 

Actually you can still have a chance when you don't have a QB. John Fox made it work with Tim fuging The Golden Calf of Bristol. Quincy Carter made the playoffs. Mark Sanchez.  There's plenty of data on teams competing hard, even when not winning, when they have a terrible QB. It's hard, but you can.

Something tells me if you put Dalton in the rest of the season the team will still go 4-13 or worse. There's no excuse for Panthers sucking all three phases. Canales clearly can't figure it out, or he doesn't have the balls to make changes, so he has to go. He's running the same poo. He and Evero both. There are no adjustments at halftime. 

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

And even in baseball they already went full circle.  Everybody figured out analytics was the way to go, and now everybody's making decisions the same way.  So now what differentiates you as a team if you're just crunching the numbers like everyone else?  Oh yeah like actual knowledge of the sport and experience with what works and what doesn't.  So ultimately it's circled right back to old guys sitting in a room talking about who's got a hotter girlfriend.

That's the cycle. The field is stagnant until someone figured out the next thing to move the pile. 

A huge chunk of old school baseball was such fluff. The ugly girlfriend in moneyeball comes to mind. Thay entire scout scene was hilarious from the 'expertise' they slang.

[strato]

5 hours ago, Icege said:

I mean, there really is cope coming from y'all.

Did Bryce play well yesterday? Not at all. Was he the reason special teams gave up 167yds on 3 punt returns? Not at all. Was he the reason Chandler Zavala and Brandon Walton were ass? Nope. Was he the reason that the LBs continue to be doo doo? Negative.

Hell, at this rate he's definitely not getting the bonus option picked up and it's going to be back to drafting "the guy" in April 2026 (2027 at the latest). He just hasn't been good enough in year 3. How in the world could you of all people call that cope?

The cope really comes down to people thinking that Bryce is the main issue that this team is ass when that just hasn't been the case. Is there a low ceiling with Bryce as the QB? Looking like it, but the floor isn't in the dirt because of him. When somebody is spending 90% of their time on the board bitching about the QB and derailing threads just to do so, that's cope.

Whatever cope I have is coping with why the hell he is still playing. He sucks. 

I am fed up with being civil and explaining why to people. Without calling them blind.

He isn’t an NFL player and that is what I have been coping with goi g on three lousy miserable years. The sooner he is gone the better off we will all be.