The Panthers’ Offensive Spending Is Misleading — and Bryce Young Is Paying the Price

[ColumbusCounty]

Huh??? Pretty sure we have..

A.) Invested in the Oline... 

B.)We have two 1k running backs on the roster...along with a 2nd rounder waiting in the wings to get off IR. 

C.) Drafted WR (2 1st rounders)..the two that either he or his father asked for in consecutive years. 

We might not have an all pro squad to support him but we definitely invested in the offense. 

Side note: Before we pass judgement on the O, we might wanna wait on Coker to be activated. I wouldn't be shocked if we look totally different with him back in the lineup. 

Edited 3 hours ago by ColumbusCounty

[fanpanther]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

For some people there is no limit to the amount of resources we should invest to prop up the guy who is the 4th highest paid player on the roster while still on his rookie contract.

Also as I noted in another thread our passing YPG is the best it's been since 2020 and that's with Thielen who has been hyped immensely out of the picture.

it still amazes me how much blind loyalty people have for byoung.  delhome and newton didnt get this much loyalty and they actually took the team to the superbowl.  young has sucked since day 1 and showed almost no growth in 3 years and people still blame every coach and player on the team for holding his greatness back.  i dont know how anyone can watch a game and not see his limitations.  

[cranky]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

We went out and bought the most expensive OL in the NFL for him

We paid 2 1k rushers in the backfield

sure, we didn’t go out in FA to once again give him basically the complete perfect cast in FA a 3rd freaking time.   We got a team to build and literally every resource can’t be devoted to Bryce.

But most of our best draft collateral has been devoted to Bryce.  

the entire argument of drafting him is that we wouldn’t be doing what we are doing. 

the spending isn’t misleading.  The investment needed around him has been off the charts overall and he still is Clausen-ish.  
 

 

Yes their best draft collateral was spent to support Bryce but that does not change the fact that they made poor choices. Drafting Mingo and Legette and were poor draft choices - ones that crippled the offensive play and did anything but help Young develope. Legette could still turn it around but to this point, he has not been productive.

The spending is misleading if you use it to gauge the support given to Young. It doesn't matter what dollar amount you use on the offense if none of it actually goes toward given Young someone to throw a pass to. 

 

[cranky]

12 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The draft investment is even more critical than FAs, so it's misleading to, well say 'its misleading because they didn't work out' and the positional salary allocation matters.  You invest highly in a draft with the expectation/timeline of a second contract in the near future.  So it directly relates to positional allocation.  Unless you're stuck with an imbecile GM.    

Skill Positions:

2025: R1 WR, R4 RB, R5 TE, R6 WR

2024: R1 WR, R2 RB, R4 TE

2023: R2 WR

Since picking him at 1, we've drafted 4 wideouts, 2 RBs, 2 TEs.  Also factor in bringing in Coker (UDFA), Dowdle, & Thielen.  Not to mention trying Diontae.  We've done plenty. 

Also factor in that FAs kinda-maybe of have a say where they want to go.  

You can play the game with wishing we drafted someone else, but you can't say the framework wasn't sound. It was, we've just done poorly in choosing the talent to bring together. 

 

"You can play the game with wishing we drafted someone else, but you can't say the framework wasn't sound. It was, we've just done poorly in choosing the talent to bring together. "

Exactly - except I am not saying I wished they drafted someone else. I'm also not saying they have not tried. As you say, the framework was sound and I agree with what they were trying to do. If Theilen had stayed and Coker had not gone to IR, this year would have looked much different. Especially given how good Tet has looked. I would venture to guess all talk about how bad Young is would never have happened. But Theilen is gone, Coker is on IR still and all the offensive struggles are being blamed on Young which is absurd. 

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

 we've just done poorly in choosing the talent to bring together. "

 

 

History will agree with this statement and be inclusive of the 2023 draft.  I want/wanted Bryce and any player wearing a panther jersey to succeed but it is not working out.

[Bear Hands]

17 minutes ago, cranky said:

"You can play the game with wishing we drafted someone else, but you can't say the framework wasn't sound. It was, we've just done poorly in choosing the talent to bring together. "

Exactly - except I am not saying I wished they drafted someone else. I'm also not saying they have not tried. As you say, the framework was sound and I agree with what they were trying to do. If Theilen had stayed and Coker had not gone to IR, this year would have looked much different. Especially given how good Tet has looked. I would venture to guess all talk about how bad Young is would never have happened. But Theilen is gone, Coker is on IR still and all the offensive struggles are being blamed on Young which is absurd. 

 

Forgive me, what are trying to say then? In like one sentence. Not asking this snarkily, genuinely don’t understand the take.

[cranky]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Forgive me, what are trying to say then? In like one sentence. Not asking this snarkily, genuinely don’t understand the take.

 

As I pointed out in the OP, the Panthers are spending the least amount of their cap money on receivers and tight ends of any team in the NFL and have been the entire time Young has been here. It is true they spend heavily on the offense, it's just not directed towards the receivers or tight ends. So when people say Young should be doing better given all the support the Panthers' have given ($$$), I say those numbers are misguided as they aren't really going to anyone Young can pass to. You can't argue Young has all this support when his receivers on Sundays are a rookie, an undrafted rookie, a reclemation project, someone pulled from a practice squad and Legette. And his TE's are Tremble, another rookie and another practice squad guy. 

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

 

As I pointed out in the OP, the Panthers are spending the least amount of their cap money on receivers and tight ends of any team in the NFL and have been the entire time Young has been here. It is true they spend heavily on the offense, it's just not directed towards the receivers or tight ends. So when people say Young should be doing better given all the support the Panthers' have given ($$$), I say those numbers are misguided as they aren't really going to anyone Young can pass to. You can't argue Young has all this support when his receivers on Sundays are a rookie, an undrafted rookie, a reclemation project, someone pulled from a practice squad and Legette. And his TE's are Tremble, another rookie and another practice squad guy. 

[cranky]

29 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Forgive me, what are trying to say then? In like one sentence. Not asking this snarkily, genuinely don’t understand the take.

Let me try this. Here is a graph of what every team is spending on their receivers and tight ends. As you can see, the Panthers are dead last. Given that, I think its misleading to say he has all this support. After all, a qb's main job is to pass the ball. The Panthers spend the least amount on giving him someone to pass the ball to.

 

[cranky]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Too bad he can't pass to them. 

[frankw]

Just now, cranky said:

Too bad he can't pass to them. 

And if we weren't spending the most amount of money in the entire league on the OL you would be complaining about them not doing enough to protect him.

You are beyond helping.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, ChibCU said:

We will never go anywhere unless we build our team through consistently stellar drafts. 

I don't know that it has to be stellar but you can't keep missing on one group which they have been doing with receivers. I do think they did well this year however. Time will tell

[cranky]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

And if we weren't spending the most amount of money in the entire league on the OL you would be complaining about them not doing enough to protect him.

You are beyond helping.

And if we weren't spending the most amount of money in the entire league on the OL and Young was getting killed every week, you would still be blaming everything on his diminutive size and lack of arm strength.

[KillerKat]

Op should just eat the poo they are getting and move on. Its pretty embarrassing for them.