Derrick Brown

[PNW_PantherMan]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I liked JStew but he honestly might be the most overrated player amongst Panthers fans. Only one 1000 yard season and only two double digit TD seasons and all of that came within his first two seasons. He was a good player, don't get me wrong. But he was terrible ROI on a 1st round RB pick that also limited the ROI on our other (better) 1st round RB. If you look through his stats and tell me he was a mid-round pick it's like sweet. Nice pick. But if you look through his stats and tell me he was a 1st rounder it's like oof. Not great.

It was easy to romanticize double trouble.  All that talent in the backfield.  Oh the places you'll go.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Agreed. I do think our free agent acquisitions + our safeties being better against the run have helped also. If we can figure out our pass coverage issues in the middle third of the field, I would actually like our overall defense (at least like it enough).

I would rather just play the rookies on the outside and see what happens personally. The free agents are what Im not high on. For example I would have rather them pick up a MLB vs rolling with Wallace and Jewell and brining in Moehrig. Just makes them lean more on Scott and that's an easy pass for me.

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Rhule didn't develop much if anything and he used QBs to blame his lack of NFL skills and knowledge.

Without a different staff he probably would have been replaced the next year when Fritterer came in and started making everything worse. 

Yeah he clearly wanted nothing to do with a rookie QB and seeing what he's doing with an elite QB recruit at Nebraska (albeit a seemingly mentally ill or who is more interested in cosplaying another man than concentrating on being the best version of himself) maybe it starts to show why.

[electro's horse]

Also there was interest in acquiring joe thomas during the 2015 season. This was when the panthers were realizing just how good they were that year but before the trade deadline obviously. It was gonna cost a 1 plus. 

i think we’d all agree we’d trade Vernon Butler for a superbowl bowl with Joe thomas at left and Mike remmers dead in a ditch. 

Edited 4 hours ago by electro's horse

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Also there was interest in acquiring joe thomas during the 2015 season. This was when the panthers were realizing just how good they were that year but before the trade deadline obviously. It was gonna cost a 1 plus. 

i think we’d all agree we’d trade Vernon Butler for a superbowl bowl with Joe thomas at left and Mike remmers dead in a ditch. 

I don't even blame Remmers. The Falcons did us a massive favor showing us his Achilles heel in our lone regular season loss. They ruined our perfect season but in doing so they should've helped us win the SH. Remmers absolutely couldn't handle an elite speed rusher one on one. Providing Remmers help on Von Miller out of the gate should have been plan A in SB50 and we needed to have a plan B of shifting to focus more on quick developing routes of our typical slow developing downfield passing game wasn't planning out. Remmers gets most of the blame from fans for the outcome of that game but honestly I put much more of the blame on Shula. Vic Beasley and the Falcons had already given you a preview. The Broncos players literally laughing in the post-game interviews about how we changed up literally nothing for that game was just the icing on the cake. Shula was playing checkers against Wade Phillips chess.

[Icege]

DAWG

[outlaw4]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, Herbert would've likely busted here.

Can't say he's lived up to be a franchise QB with the Chargers, personally. Some of that is on that team, but his performances in big moments have not exactly been great. I feel he'll end up like Matthew Stafford and maximize his potential with someone else. 

But yeah, Brown is a machine. Doubt he'll stick around past this current contract, though.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It was easy to romanticize double trouble.  All that talent in the backfield.  Oh the places you'll go.

I mean, it was a great 1-2 punch of RBs but at a tremendous cost that limited the rest of the roster.

[Khaki Lackey]

2 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Man, this revisionist history on Marty is funny. He was great at 1st rounders although I think we way overrate some of the players. For example, Stewart and Williams were solid but neither is in the top 50 in rushing in NFL history. They had 2 pro bowls in 22 combined years.

Again, he rarely missed like Otah or the trades, but we went to the playoffs 3 times in his 14 years as a GM. I think “his” best team was 2015, which a collab with Gettleman who IMHO did a good job of filling around Luke, Cam, Greg and Norman to get a great DL (Star, Short, Ealy, Allen) and OL (Norwell, Turner) that was one good ref’d and coached game away the peak.

Very true. Hurney was awful. He was just as bad as Fitterer, he just had such an unwarranted long tenure that people just remember his first round "home runs." Guess who else has a stellar first round history? Me. And I'm an idiot.

Huddlers loved Hurney because he overpayed fan favorites and would never move on from any likeable player. Everyone loved his drafts because, "Hey, we need 2 DTs, a safety, and a WR" and he would draft them in precisely that order. It was not until 2 seasons after the fact that none of his picks were still in the league except his vaunted 1st rounder. "He gambled on Keuchley at 7! What a genius!" Yeah, ok.

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, it was a great 1-2 punch of RBs but at a tremendous cost that limited the rest of the roster.

And as you mentioned, they cannibalized each other’s production.  You could say they kept each other healthy.  But you don’t need a 1st round back to provide load management.

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Can't say he's lived up to be a franchise QB with the Chargers, personally. Some of that is on that team, but his performances in big moments have not exactly been great. I feel he'll end up like Matthew Stafford and maximize his potential with someone else. 

But yeah, Brown is a machine. Doubt he'll stick around past this current contract, though.

Yeah, he has all the talent in the world but it's time to start translating that into wins. This is year six and he's barely over .500 as a starter with zero playoff wins. He's past the point of his career where you can learn on stats and well into the portion of his career where success is determined by wins and post season success.

[AggieLean]

The whole Josh Norman situation still gets me hot. Just let him play on the franchise tag. Gettleman was terrible. I remember you had a little clique of fans that loved the guy. Loved how he was no nonsense lol