Eight of Bryce Young's nine wins have come off game-winning drives

[mav1234]

17 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/total/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/desc

Click in the link above and go to the last column on the right (Points per game). If you click on it you can display the stats from highest to lowest or lowest to highest. The Falcons are 2-2 and are averaging 19.0 points a game. No team under that has a winning record.

That should show everyone why BY is 9-25 as a starter. You'll never have a winning record in this league if you can't average over 20 points per game.

Hey cool, we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL by total yards! 3rd by YPG too, so... Pretty damn good.

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, frankw said:

We're currently averaging 22 PPG for the season. The run game has been a huge part of that in a historical context.

As far as the passing game we are 27th in passing yards per game. Last year we were 30th. The year before that in Bryce's rookie season we were 32 out of 32.

We've seen with our own eyes that we have young receivers capable of making the big plays now. The weapons are there. They might not be perfect but they are there that shouldn't be under dispute. Sooner or later we're going to have to be able to open up the passing game to win games and that will require Bryce Young to buck the trend of low passing output that has been consistent much more often than not across the 35 career games he's played in.

What happens when Bryce is forced to do what Dak or Tua were forced into the last 2 weeks?  That’s the Bryce issue.  His team wouldn’t be in the game in that scenario.

Carolina has to part with this dude.  We can’t get in some Bryce Young trap and pay a below average QB.  

[Mike2.0]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

What happens when Bryce is forced to do what Dak or Tua were forced into the last 2 weeks?  That’s the Bryce issue.  His team wouldn’t be in the game in that scenario.

Carolina has to part with this dude.  We can’t get in some Bryce Young trap and pay a below average QB.  

I would tend to agree about not falling into the trap and paying a below average QB, but sometimes situations can “force” a team to pay that QB. For example, if we play ourselves into a 9-8 like record, then what options will we have in the draft? Or do we avoid the draft and trade for or sign someone in free agency? 

I’m not convinced by the 2026 QB draft class. There’s some intriguing prospects but no one that really screams “draft me”. I’m not sure we’ve got anyone really that stands out as a trade candidate or free agent signing. So although we might not want to commit a big money contract to Young, him playing well and showing progress might force the team’s hand. 

[FatChad]

18 hours ago, frankw said:

Not denying that although I would say that apsect was significantly more prevalent after the elbow surgery. He wasn't the same after.

No, he was much worse.  I still never had that much faith in him before the elbow.  It was always a 50/50 if he would play well.  Our running game and defense is what kept things together.  

[Icege]

14 hours ago, CRA said:

No, not just the Atlanta game.  I don’t feel the need to go through every game and point out BY had measly 126 yards vs the Giants and the D and kicker won it in overtime. 

Bryce Young overall has been a reason and often big reason why the Panthers have trailed in the 4th quarter in literally every single game of his entire career….minus one game. 

and again, the entire point is addressing the suggestion BY is somehow more clutch than Jake and Cam because of his GWD numbers. Thats dumb.  And that is what we are ultimately addressing here 

BY isn’t even on track to be the 3rd best QB in Panther history.  Not even close.  Bringing up Cam and Jake is blasphemy and almost anti-Panthering in the name of stan-ing for BY. 

You don't have to go through every game and point it out as we are discussing his GWDs. You specifically called out that he had GWDs because he is the reason the team is always playing from behind. We looked at those eight games and only Miami stands out as one where he put the team in a hole to begin with. You've added the Atlanta game where the team didn't score a TD but only kicked field goals.

You're not trying to change what we're discussing to fit your feelings re: Bryce. That's not necessary. We are discussing GWDs per the thread topic. We have also shown that your opinion that the team has had to always come back due to Bryce was proven to be false as was the claim that "minus one game" was his fault. Appealing to emotion afterwards by trying to broadly paint the rest of the losses in the same way just doesn't work.

Where in the Hell did you get that the entire point is the suggestion that BY is more clutch than Jake and/or Cam? It's giving something to be positive about in that Bryce has shown the ability to comeback and win games despite the calamity that might have taken place to put them behind to begin with. How is that blasphemy?

[SCO96]

6 hours ago, Mike2.0 said:

I would tend to agree about not falling into the trap and paying a below average QB, but sometimes situations can “force” a team to pay that QB. For example, if we play ourselves into a 9-8 like record, then what options will we have in the draft? Or do we avoid the draft and trade for or sign someone in free agency? 

I’m not convinced by the 2026 QB draft class. There’s some intriguing prospects but no one that really screams “draft me”. I’m not sure we’ve got anyone really that stands out as a trade candidate or free agent signing. So although we might not want to commit a big money contract to Young, him playing well and showing progress might force the team’s hand. 

The above scenario is how teams end up in QB purgatory. Unless Young puts up MVP numbers for the rest of the season, there is no reason to "extend Bryce". The "most" I would do in that situation is pick up his 5th year option and control him for the next 2 seasons. If he played at a high level for the next 2 seasons then I'd consider giving him a big deal, but under no circumstances would I EVER make him the highest paid QB in the NFL.

If he finished the season with numbers mirroring his first two in the league I'd decline his 5th year option, let him play out his 4th season, and draft or trade for a QB this off-season to compete with him for the starting job in 2026. If the prospect balled out I'd let Bryce walk and test the market.

Edited 7 hours ago by SCO96

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

You don't have to go through every game and point it out as we are discussing his GWDs. You specifically called out that he had GWDs because he is the reason the team is always playing from behind. We looked at those eight games and only Miami stands out as one where he put the team in a hole to begin with. You've added the Atlanta game where the team didn't score a TD but only kicked field goals.

You're not trying to change what we're discussing to fit your feelings re: Bryce. That's not necessary. We are discussing GWDs per the thread topic. We have also shown that your opinion that the team has had to always come back due to Bryce was proven to be false as was the claim that "minus one game" was his fault. Appealing to emotion afterwards by trying to broadly paint the rest of the losses in the same way just doesn't work.

Where in the Hell did you get that the entire point is the suggestion that BY is more clutch than Jake and/or Cam? It's giving something to be positive about in that Bryce has shown the ability to comeback and win games despite the calamity that might have taken place to put them behind to begin with. How is that blasphemy?

I specifically called out it's a joke to bring up Jake and Cam when talking about Bryce Young and his GWDs....(it's LITERALLY mentioned in the OP.  You know the post that started this thread). 

and for the 100000x time, Bryce Young is clearly one of the reasons, and often one of the primary reasons we have trailed in the 4th quarter of every single game of his NFL career minus 1.    This isn't even something that is debatable in reality.   Nothing about that statement has been proven false.   

It's not just Bryce Young IMPLODING  in games and putting us in a massive holes in games.  It's the fact he has produced bottom of the barrel passing offense his entire career (every year)....and when you get bottom of the barrel passing O consistently every single seaosn from your QB.....winning is very very very hard.  It's an O and passing league.  If you are essentially dead last since arriving into the NFL.....it's sort of a big deal in a bad way.  And Bryce Young has been painfully consistent there (stats shared each year).   And it doesn't matter the OC, the OL, the weapons....the bottom of barrel passing production is the same.  He 100% is a reason and often the reason this team is forever in a "GWD' scenarios trailing in the 4th every single Sunday (minus 1 in his now going on 3 year career)

 

[LegioX]

I just want to see the kid progress and get better. Maybe he is a slow learner and will come into form eventually.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, LegioX said:

I just want to see the kid progress and get better. Maybe he is a slow learner and will come into form eventually.

how many years you want to spending watching for that?  and we got big decisions coming up in terms of what to do at the QB spot.  You want to be like the Jags and instead of dumping big money into middle of the road QB, dump it into a bottom tier QB? 

[SCO96]

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

how many years you want to spending watching for that?  and we got big decisions coming up in terms of what to do at the QB spot.  You want to be like the Jags and instead of dumping big money into middle of the road QB, dump it into a bottom tier QB? 

It would be very UNWISE to extend BY at the end of this season.

It would probably be UNWISE to extend him at all. In this market, his agent is going to want $50 mil per year minimum. You can't justify spending that on guy who is in the bottom 10 of the NFL in terms of production. We don't go into many games on Sundays thinking that our guy is BETTER THAN, OR EVEN AS GOOD AS, the starter on the opposing team. 

That speaks volumes and is a sign that we need an upgrade at the position. BY needs to start performing at an almost an MVP worthy level for consecutive years to justify that type of salary for a long term contract.

[strato]

On 10/12/2025 at 6:10 PM, Johnstonny said:

What happened to the other 20 games....

A bunch of stuff that wasn’t his fault lol. 

[Navy_football]

Just my opinion... if you unrealistically blame BY for losses, then you should unrealistically give him credit for wins. Otherwise you're saying every loss is his fault but every win is someone else's. Can you see the inconsistency in that statement? Just saying.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Just my opinion... if you unrealistically blame BY for losses, then you should unrealistically give him credit for wins. Otherwise you're saying every loss is his fault but every win is someone else's. Can you see the inconsistency in that statement? Just saying.

I don't think it's unrealistically blaming Bryce Young......to say has been a reason, sometimes a big one, in why our pass offense overall has been extremely week over the past 3 collective seasons.  I think that bothering anyone, is just being overly invested in some Bryce Young argument.  It's just a reality.  

[Navy_football]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think it's unrealistically blaming Bryce Young......to say has been a reason, sometimes a big one, in why our pass offense overall has been extremely week over the past 3 collective seasons.  I think that bothering anyone, is just being overly invested in some Bryce Young argument.  It's just a reality.  

Roger that. But that's not what I said -blaming him for losses but not giving credit for wins. Of course a QB has a lot of responsibility for the passing game. Not all. But alot. What I'm seeing "appears" to be an inability/reluctance to find anything positive. Even when he plays well. If he's the reason they lose every game, then he should be the reason they win too.