The Bryce Young "Game Winning Drive" narrative needs to end

[strato]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think premium paid matters at this stage.  Think the rest of league has established that.  We have seen top 10 QBs moved on from after just 1 year.  We have seen massive trade's at at the top moved on from too.   Teams can't afford to waste time.  

I mean, it's not all just Bryce in a vacuum.  Biggest issue is the front office in this equation.  Maybe he would be less of an issue to move on from if they prioritized their QB roster and it would have already sort of taken care of itself.....if they added young QBs and real competition for the spot.   

we are sort of unique in how how competition-less our roster is given how iffy the #1 spot was going into this season and last.   Sort of why they tried to move on from him last year and couldn't pull it off.  

I don’t see or am unable to see that QB room as something that Canales and Morgan came up with on their own. 
conspiracy theorist that I must be. The purpose was to not intimidate the shaky starter. 
And he did look confident Sunday in terms of his psyche, if that was the reasoning, it may have been okay. 
It is time for room to look towards development though 
 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[GoobyPls]

12 hours ago, electro's horse said:

He threw too flat of a ball. XL was wide the fug open. Better throw and a guy with broken ribs doesn’t have to fully lay out. 

And that wasn’t the last throw of the game. It was second and four. Bryce ate poo the next two plays. 

and if Chuba hadn’t fumbled they’d probably have just kept running him. Then we’d have people arguing that Bryce throwing one pass and Chuba running 5-6 times was actually a gwd because….

Wrong it was an anticipation throw with the eagles sending the blitz, Bryce threw to a spot where Legette had to be it and he dropped it. Again that doesn’t change the fact that goes down as a GWD is he catches it 

Hubbard had 12 carries that game LOL

 

Give it up bro, I see what you are trying to do, create false narratives 

[Bear Hands]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Yeah. I don’t think it’s close. 

I'd love to see it.  Have always been a fan; too bad we didn't have our house in order to insert him into a good situation.

With a non Rhule hire, could've had Baker, CMC, Moore at minimum in this place and never had the wheels fall off needing to restart and go trade bezerk. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

7 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Ive never liked the term game winning drives because they include games where the QB was part of or was the reason the team was behind in the first place. Ive been arguing against this stat since the Delhomme years. It should only count when the QB is out of the equation of reasons why the team fell behind in the first place and is at least half the reason why he led the last drive to give them a lead. It shouldnt count if they just hand it off most of the time and the RB is on fire and they go down and score a TD or FG.

So games that Qbs made mistakes in, but still play well enough to win, doesnt deserve credit for game winning drives because of the mistakes that were made earlier in the game?

That makes absolutely no sense

Edited 2 hours ago by Mr Mojo Risin

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4 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

So games that Qbs make mistakes in, but still play well enough to win, dont deserve credit for game winning drives because of the mistakes that were made earlier in the game?

That makes absolutely no sense

What does make sense is a counter balance to that one dimensional concept. 
And if this is incorrect please correct me but the game winning drive doesn’t even have to be the last possession. 
 

It is pretty liberal in its  definition.

[Moose Hoover]

18 hours ago, electro's horse said:

 

But Fiz, why now? Why tonight?

 

 

oh yea i forgot you are fiz. ive also forgotten what that means.

[jb2288]

16 hours ago, strato said:

I am in the middle of catching up and got this far. I can’t let it pass. So quickly….
25yards is just not true. People question his arm strength, I do,  but 25 yards? Come on man. That’s just bullshit.

You’re kidding me. Dude. People in the game threads say he physically cannot complete a 20 yard pass, this is not hyperbole. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

You’re kidding me. Dude. People in the game threads say he physically cannot complete a 20 yard pass, this is not hyperbole. 

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[panthers55]

Most of these negative takes on Bryce not being very good or discounting his performance because he struggled early or contributed early mistakes ignore that he is incredible resilient and keeps fighting. That is incredibly important and something Cam for example struggled with for a good portion of his early career. If he played poorly at the beginning he rarely improved. When he learned to let it go and move forward, he improved significantly. Cam is also the reason I think people discount Bryce's skills. Cam was bigger than life and had physical attributes few quarterbacks can match. He challenged folks to stop him and had some great moves like his superman poses and dabbing on everyone. He was fun to watch and an icon.

Bryce is almost the polar opposite of Cam. He has to use brains over brawn and use other players to get the job done. He doesn't take over the game and is kind of boring in interviews. 

But what he does have is confidence which makes others around him better. They are learning  to trust and believe in him and play hard for him. He is a good leader who has shown this season that he can produce comebacks and win at the end. How many times in the last 10 games did he bring us back only for the defense to fail to hold the lead. Even last week after scoring late did he have to do even more after the defense gave up a late TD.

If you loved Cam and want his clone you won't like Bryce ever. But Cam was unique and we might not see the likes of him again. But Bryce has the ability to win in this league and return us to competitiveness in his own way. 

[strato]

6 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

You’re kidding me. Dude. People in the game threads say he physically cannot complete a 20 yard pass, this is not hyperbole. 

People? more than one whack job? 
You are going to need receipts for me to  believe you. 
 

I read this place daily and have since he was here and before and  cannot recall ever seeing that 

Maybe someone made a sarcastic comment but I have not seen a single comment to back that up. 
Sarcastic or real  - just nothing 

ANYBODY ELSE?

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[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, strato said:

People! Admin more than one whack job? 
You are going to need receipts for me to  believe you. 
 

I read this place daily and have since he was here and before and  cannot recall ever seeing that 

Maybe some made a sarcastic comment but I have not seen a single comment to back that up. 
 

ANYBODY ELSE?

nobody is literally saying he cannot throw 20 yards

[strato]

13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Most of these negative takes on Bryce not being very good or discounting his performance because he struggled early or contributed early mistakes ignore that he is incredible resilient and keeps fighting. That is incredibly important and something Cam for example struggled with for a good portion of his early career. If he played poorly at the beginning he rarely improved. When he learned to let it go and move forward, he improved significantly. Cam is also the reason I think people discount Bryce's skills. Cam was bigger than life and had physical attributes few quarterbacks can match. He challenged folks to stop him and had some great moves like his superman poses and dabbing on everyone. He was fun to watch and an icon.

Bryce is almost the polar opposite of Cam. He has to use brains over brawn and use other players to get the job done. He doesn't take over the game and is kind of boring in interviews. 

But what he does have is confidence which makes others around him better. They are learning  to trust and believe in him and play hard for him. He is a good leader who has shown this season that he can produce comebacks and win at the end. How many times in the last 10 games did he bring us back only for the defense to fail to hold the lead. Even last week after scoring late did he have to do even more after the defense gave up a late TD.

If you loved Cam and want his clone you won't like Bryce ever. But Cam was unique and we might not see the likes of him again. But Bryce has the ability to win in this league and return us to competitiveness in his own way. 

You are making assumptions that people expect another Cam to come along. I don’t think people do. I don’t expect that. Just a guy that isn’t physically less than the NFL standard for even an almost franchise QB. 
 

I do see his team believing on him somewhat. I don’t know how much of that is in the moment we won emotion and how much is deep belief. 

I also have seen guys throwing helmets and making public displays of frustration. Barely over a year ago. 

There needs to be a consistent and legit expectation and it needs to be do-able against stacked boxes when they shut down the running game and dare him to beat them through the air. 

He is not there at this  time. IMO. 
 

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[strato]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

nobody is literally saying he cannot throw 20 yards

I sure haven’t seen it either. 
There is a ton of reframing and twisting critical comments and putting words into peoples mouths going on the last couple of weeks. 
Not good faith debate. 

[pantherclaw]

Because of BY doesn't have the physical tools of a average NFL QB,  our fans will continue to find ways to dismiss him as long as he's a Panther. 

They were not happy that he proved that he can survive the rigors of the NFL without being broken in half. 

Edited 37 minutes ago by pantherclaw