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I mean.. Considering the fact Moton & Icky have missed a game + Hunt has missed most of the season, can't say I am surprised with the low pass block win rate. Honestly, Zavala & the JAX game where Nijman was at LT are probably the biggest contributors to the low pass block win rate (Zavala definitely struggled pass blocking when he was out there). Corbett probably hurt the rating also, since he looked much worse than Mays.

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6 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

I'd rather pay our LT than both guards. BC is killing it at RG id look into moving on from Hunt somehow 

And Damien Lewis. You should NEVER overpay for OGs. It was just an overreaction to how horrible the guards were in 2023, so I kind of understand. But you don't need the best OGs, just serviceable ones. 

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5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

And Damien Lewis. You should NEVER overpay for OGs. It was just an overreaction to how horrible the guards were in 2023, so I kind of understand. But you don't need the best OGs, just serviceable ones. 

How about draft elite guards? Even then when you have to eventually pay them, you got 4 years of dirt cheap play to balance out that later cap hit.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

How about draft elite guards? Even then when you have to eventually pay them, you got 4 years of dirt cheap play to balance out that later cap hit.

I'd say just draft guards 4th round or later every year. You'll always have a few waiting in the wings if a guy wants to get paid big money. Every player is important, but just average play at the position is sufficient in the NFL. 

Save big pay days for WRs, QBs, LTs and CBs. 

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11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

And Damien Lewis. You should NEVER overpay for OGs. It was just an overreaction to how horrible the guards were in 2023, so I kind of understand. But you don't need the best OGs, just serviceable ones. 

Lewis is better than Hunt in pass blocking, we didn't need both of them, but nobody anticipated that Zavala would actually be serviceable. 

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1 minute ago, NAS said:

Lewis is better than Hunt in pass blocking, we didn't need both of them, but nobody anticipated that Zavala would actually be serviceable. 

They should have. Just not as a rookie. A 4th round guard should be waiting his turn to start by his 2nd or 3rd season. You don't throw a 4th round rookie to the wolves unless you have to. Break glass ONLY in case of emergency. 

Mistakes were made. But now that they have a baseline, it shouldn't happen again. Keep stacking one every season to get ready. 

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

They should have. Just not as a rookie. A 4th round guard should be waiting his turn to start by his 2nd or 3rd season. You don't throw a 4th round rookie to the wolves unless you have to. Break glass ONLY in case of emergency. 

Mistakes were made. But now that they have a baseline, it shouldn't happen again. Keep stacking one every season to get ready. 

Could we splurge on a center in the second round?  Cade Mays at center looks serviceable as a later round pick but, I’m not sure that you can count on that too often…

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42 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Could we splurge on a center in the second round?  Cade Mays at center looks serviceable as a later round pick but, I’m not sure that you can count on that too often…

For a true center, not a guard transitioning? Yes. That's allowed. He has to be an All American though. 

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I have not been impressed with our pass blocking since at least 2022. Still remember watching Darnold live against the Seahawks when we were dominating them in the run game and we still allowed far too much pressure on him regardless. It has not gotten much better since.

In fairness to this year's unit, they have been hit by injuries. Oftentimes, even a mediocre overall unit is better than a stacked one if the former stays healthy throughout the entire season. Constant shuffling only means a much greater likelihood someone will blow their assignment and that's all it takes for a sack or worse.

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1 hour ago, outlaw4 said:

I have not been impressed with our pass blocking since at least 2022. Still remember watching Darnold live against the Seahawks when we were dominating them in the run game and we still allowed far too much pressure on him regardless. It has not gotten much better since.

In fairness to this year's unit, they have been hit by injuries. Oftentimes, even a mediocre overall unit is better than a stacked one if the former stays healthy throughout the entire season. Constant shuffling only means a much greater likelihood someone will blow their assignment and that's all it takes for a sack or worse.

Seems a scouting department issue where they are looking more for run blocking traits 

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