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Best Offensive Talent Ever?


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Our offense isn't terrible talent wise....TE's could be better for a full complement. backfield looks pretty stout after that fked up draft Brooks selection. They drafted Bryce as a point guard....much like Brad Johnson who won a SB. The game is to manage 10 yds however you can get that done and convert and move the ball. Bryce ain't ever gonna sling it 40yds down field so if you want that  electrified offense it ain't happenin. Play design and play calling matter...Then onto E. Evero and this defense is schizo....

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14 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I don't see how that is much different, it just fits the narrative.

I honestly have no idea how that difference needs explanation. One organization was completely new from the ground up, the other organization was pre-existing and relocated. 

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Not enough people around from the 2003 team?

Smitty, Moose, Proehl

Davis, Foster

a very respectable Oline

Some very good blocking tight ends 

that offense was drastically better than this one even taking the qb position out of the equation. 

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1 hour ago, scpanther22 said:

The Panthers have been blessed/cursed in our history to have generational talent surrounded by jags and scrubs so we tend to forget looking back just how good they actually were lol

i'll always say Steve Smith was one of the best WR ever for example 

You give Steve good to great QB play and he is top 3, in my opinion. Jake was the best QB he ever had and he retired top 10. Had the fuging triple crown with Jake. 
 

I love Jake to death, but he was not a great QB…. He was a world class competitor. He had more fire alone than any panthers team since Cam. 

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42 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly have no idea how that difference needs explanation. One organization was completely new from the ground up, the other organization was pre-existing and relocated. 

They are still starting over in almost every way.

Saying we are the youngest is just trying to push a talking point imo.  Jags started around same time as we did.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The OL as a whole is as good as any we've ever had. The tackle tandem is definitely our best ever. The receivers overall aren't great but outside of Smitty/Moose/Proehl we've never fielded a great group of receivers. T-Mac looks legit for sure. The TEs aren't great either but look serviceable. Chuba-Dowdle is our best RB duo since DeAngelo-JStew. Overall, yeah it's one of our better overall offensive supporting casts.

The 1 year we had Gross and Otah. Gross and Wharton werent bad either.

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