Bryce Young has now played one full seasons worth of games since returning from his benching in 2024

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Not a guy you commit to long term for sure. The fact they have built this team around him and that's all they got is enough to walk away.

Exactly. We've invested a ton of cap space in OL, we've signed two proven veteran RBs, we've spent two 1st round picks on WRs, we hired an offensive minded HC. It's not a failure to try to build around him. We've at least tried hard to do right by him as we should have after making the decision to swing that trade and draft him #1 overall. When you do that, you're all in one way or the other. We've tried. He's in year three now and has 30+ starts under his belt and I honestly can't see how anyone can conclude that he's shown the ability to be anything more than a serviceable game manager type of starting QB and even that only in spurts. You can get that in a journeyman backup if you put the talent around him. I'm fine with sticking with Bryce through this season if we have to but after that it's time to move on. I'd honestly prefer to shop around and see if we could land competition in the trade market with a late round pick.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Exactly. We've invested a ton of cap space in OL, we've signed two proven veteran RBs, we've spent two 1st round picks on WRs, we hired an offensive minded HC. It's not a failure to try to build around him. We've at least tried hard to do right by him as we should have after making the decision to swing that trade and draft him #1 overall. When you do that, you're all in one way or the other. We've tried. He's in year three now and has 30+ starts under his belt and I honestly can't see how anyone can conclude that he's shown the ability to be anything more than a serviceable game manager type of starting QB and even that only in spurts. You can get that in a journeyman backup if you put the talent around him. I'm fine with sticking with Bryce through this season but after that it's time to move on.

If someone still thinks bryce is the dude after yesterday, where his limitations were on full display, there really is no help for said person.  Can he run around and make a play or two off script?  Sure, but thats such a small part of the overall equation.  

 

fug man, I am glad we won but the elephant in the room is still fuging there.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If someone still thinks bryce is the dude after yesterday, where his limitations were on full display, there really is no help for said person.  Can he run around and make a play or two off script?  Sure, but thats such a small part of the overall equation.  

 

fug man, I am glad we won but the elephant in the room is still fuging there.

As soon as the dominant running game went away the truth was there to be seen again. And it wasn't like our running game was bad yesterday. It was decent. It just wasn't dominant. Bryce has to be carried. Like a journeyman backup. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If someone still thinks bryce is the dude after yesterday, where his limitations were on full display, there really is no help for said person.  Can he run around and make a play or two off script?  Sure, but thats such a small part of the overall equation.  

 

fug man, I am glad we won but the elephant in the room is still fuging there.

Brace yourself. It's going to get worse before it gets better if Bryce conveniently misses a game or multiple games right when the schedule starts to get real. The stans will claim we'd be winning with Bryce and the losses are proof that Bryce was leading us to wins (over opponents that are a combined 7-19-1).

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Average or maybe slightly below average?!?!?!

In what universe does Bryce has about the 16th best arm among the starting QB's in this league?

I honestly don't think there is a single QB with a worse arm, and if there is, it's no more than 2 or 3 of them.

I agree with you on his footwork problems, but he flat out has one of the worst arms I've ever seen on a starting NFL QB other than those guys who end up with like 3 career starts over 10 years.  

I think it's fair to say the arm issue is directly related to the footwork. It's like throwing a punch. If you dont step into it, there's not going to be much behind it and youre not going to control where it goes as well. 

I remember harping on Icky and his footwork as a rookie and was told repeatedly that coaches are only allowed to do so much and he had to get help outside of the team for his coaching with that. Probably the same with Bryce. Don't know if he's getting help with issues, but if he is, it's not taking. 

I also remember watching a special on Kobe working on his fade away and this was a couple years before his retirement. He never held the basketball, but he did the drill 2k times in a row trying to perfect it. The great ones constantly work on their craft. 

[OldhamA]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If someone still thinks bryce is the dude after yesterday, where his limitations were on full display, there really is no help for said person.  Can he run around and make a play or two off script?  Sure, but thats such a small part of the overall equation.  

 

fug man, I am glad we won but the elephant in the room is still fuging there.

The play he got injured on shows that he's learned nothing in 3 years - he's still trying that spin out of the pocket like he's Vick or Jackson.

Dude, you don't have the athleticism to do that at this level. Stop it. Get rid of the ball.

[CanadianCat]

You know it's funny... Every fan base is like this.

 

Until this weekend Eagle fans were ready to run Hurtz out of the building.. 

[CanadianCat]

... Just as we did with Darnold and Baker...

[Candler Cat]

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If someone still thinks bryce is the dude after yesterday, where his limitations were on full display, there really is no help for said person.  Can he run around and make a play or two off script?  Sure, but thats such a small part of the overall equation.  

 

fug man, I am glad we won but the elephant in the room is still fuging there.

well said

[Shotgun]

8 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

You know it's funny... Every fan base is like this.

 

Until this weekend Eagle fans were ready to run Hurtz out of the building.. 

That’s not true, Eagles fans love Hurts. I know a ton of them. 

[Waldo]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Exactly. We've invested a ton of cap space in OL, we've signed two proven veteran RBs, we've spent two 1st round picks on WRs, we hired an offensive minded HC. It's not a failure to try to build around him. We've at least tried hard to do right by him as we should have after making the decision to swing that trade and draft him #1 overall. When you do that, you're all in one way or the other. We've tried. He's in year three now and has 30+ starts under his belt and I honestly can't see how anyone can conclude that he's shown the ability to be anything more than a serviceable game manager type of starting QB and even that only in spurts. You can get that in a journeyman backup if you put the talent around him. I'm fine with sticking with Bryce through this season if we have to but after that it's time to move on. I'd honestly prefer to shop around and see if we could land competition in the trade market with a late round pick.

If they can't spend the same cap on a post rookie deal to keep propping him up then it's never going to get better. It's a dead end. Go get someone else's not good enough at a discount and get the same stuff for less with more cap to spend elsewhere or just take another shot at a rookie.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If they can't spend the same cap on a post rookie deal to keep propping him up then it's never going to get better. It's a dead end. Go get someone else's not good enough at a discount and get the same stuff for less with more cap to spend elsewhere or just take another shot at a rookie.

Yep. You can't afford to pay non-elite QBs elite QB money and there's always about 20 guys in the NFL making elite QB money. That's at least 10 too many. I'll always argue that you're better off needing a QB than you are to be cap handcuffed by an average starter. Truth be told, I think the Niners are learning that in real time right now. Purdy goes down and Mac Jones comes in and they haven't missed a beat. That's because they're honestly about the same tier of player, Purdy just got to enjoy an ideal situation from the word go. If Jones had landed in Purdy's situation he'd probably be Purdy and vice versa. You can't back up the Brinks truck for that.

As bad as Jones was early on he's honestly probably bounced out of the league if he had been Mr. Irrelevant.

[Joe Bear]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That TD figure is definitely incorrect. Bryce only has 36 career TD passes. All but four of them absolutely did not come after his benching.

No, it's actually right. I looked it up on PFR.

Since week 8 at Denver last year:
26 TDs passing, 6 TDs rushing (32 total TDs)
11 INTs, 5 lost fumbles (16 total turnovers).

When you factor in the record and the yardage, he's a respectable game manager. Whether he was acquired for that or not is irrelevant 2.5 years later. He is what he is. Dude is not gonna be the franchise QB people thought he'd be, but he's also not one of the worst QBs who ever played an NFL snap like others think. 

As bad as people think he is, you could -- statistically speaking -- do far worse (look at guys who've started here, like PJ Walker, Will Grier, Randy Fasani, Taylor Heinicke, Frank Reich for that matter). That's the scary part.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. You can't afford to pay non-elite QBs elite QB money and there's always about 20 guys in the NFL making elite QB money. That's at least 10 too many. I'll always argue that you're better off needing a QB than you are to be cap handcuffed by an average starter. Truth be told, I think the Niners are learning that in real time right now. Purdy goes down and Mac Jones comes in and they haven't missed a beat. That's because they're honestly about the same tier of player, Purdy just got to enjoy an ideal situation from the word go. If Jones had landed in Purdy's situation he'd probably be Purdy and vice versa. You can't back up the Brinks truck for that.

It's so easy until it's time to pay the QB coming off a rookie deal. I have said the entire time that Purdy wasn't worth paying if not on a big discount. The only guys who sign on a discount have something to prove. Could be a Fields or a Baker. Half the posters here still thing Darnold is the same as Baker lol. So it's no surprise teams fug that up so often when you include the desire to not take a step back even at a cost that's likely going to hurt worse in the future.