Bryce Young - High Ankle Sprain, out minimum 1 week

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Theres a line of thinking that long interceptions aren’t actually that bad anymore in the modern nfl. 

he also threw 33 touchdowns that year. 

If you look at the way the modern NFL has trended, it's dramatically away from TO prone gunslingers. There are also gunslingers in this era that are substantially less TO prone(Mahomes, Mayfield, etc).

Favre was in the old era. I have said that about Winston his entire career. He is just Brett Favre. Had he been a starter in that era, he would have been a beloved QB. 

Alas, different era.

[tukafan21]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Certainly but the TO prone guys also tend to take the wind out of the sails of their teammates in pretty quick fashion.

Certainly wouldn't argue they will get many more chances, especially since we would be pretty far behind in most of our matchups. Not gonna argue against Winston's ability either. 

I don’t think the growth of these guys is likely getting as stunted as you assume. As stated above, the morale issue is likely going to weigh heavier on them than you think.

These guys aren't getting passes beyond 15 yards that are at a true NFL level quality of a throw, that's really not even debatable, it's just a fact with what Bryce is able (or not able) to do.

If you don't think that is stunting their growth, then I don't know what else to say, because it 100% is.

Even more so with someone like XL since he was so raw when we got him anyways.  Wasting 2 years of his development getting thrown balls that don't cut it at this level is without question stunting his growth.

You also forget that WRs tend to be the type that get happier when they're getting thrown the ball more, especially downfield.  So yes, while they might get frustrated by Jameis' turnovers, the increase in downfield passing will more than offset that to keep them happy.

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Certainly but the TO prone guys also tend to take the wind out of the sails of their teammates in pretty quick fashion.

Certainly wouldn't argue they will get many more chances, especially since we would be pretty far behind in most of our matchups. Not gonna argue against Winston's ability either. 

I don’t think the growth of these guys is likely getting as stunted as you assume. As stated above, the morale issue is likely going to weigh heavier on them than you think.

I don't think there's much wind left in anyone's sails at this point.  If you don't get to play in a functional grown up passing offense, it's probably going to suck to play receiver.

I don't think morale is going to be as big of an issue if guys are catching shots downfield and scoring.  Even if we lose because our journeyman QB is terrible about throwing picks downfield.

[CarolinaLivin]

DO NOT TRADE DRAFT CAPITAL FOR ANOTHER LAME DUCK QB. 
 

we need a franchise QB, not another average at best QB. Wait till the off—season and figure out the QB season. We just wanted an answer on Bryce this season and so far we’ve gotten that.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't think there's much wind left in anyone's sails at this point.  If you don't get to play in a functional grown up passing offense, it's probably going to suck to play receiver.

I don't think morale is going to be as big of an issue if guys are catching shots downfield and scoring.  Even if we lose because our journeyman QB is terrible about throwing picks downfield.

Yeah, look at how frustrated AJ Brown was in Philly not getting the ball and they're 5-2 and have been one of the best teams in the league in recent years. Even if you're winning at some point if you feel like you're not being put in position to be your best individually then frustration is gonna start to show.

[Shotgun]

10 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'll take an arm punt over a strip sack any day of the week tbf.

Especially when our QB strip sacks himself. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

These guys aren't getting passes beyond 15 yards that are at a true NFL level quality of a throw, that's really not even debatable, it's just a fact with what Bryce is able (or not able) to do.

If you don't think that is stunting their growth, then I don't know what else to say, because it 100% is.

Even more so with someone like XL since he was so raw when we got him anyways.  Wasting 2 years of his development getting thrown balls that don't cut it at this level is without question stunting his growth.

You also forget that WRs tend to be the type that get happier when they're getting thrown the ball more, especially downfield.  So yes, while they might get frustrated by Jameis' turnovers, the increase in downfield passing will more than offset that to keep them happy.

I don't think it's a stunting because if they have the abilities, they aren't magically going to lose them due to lack of game opportunities. Were that the case, backup players would be utterly useless as they just sit and watch.

XL's lack of development is solely of his own doing. 

I don't doubt that any WR is going to be happier with more opportunities but I also don't think Winston(or anyone else, for that matter) is suddenly going to transform our entire offense into 40-50 passes a game. I will say it's possible and given the player you are talking about that certainly might have to be an option more often than not but that doesn't really seem to fit Canales style in general.

[DeeJay]

We have Hendon Hooker why not just play him at this point

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I don't doubt that any WR is going to be happier with more opportunities but I also don't think Winston(or anyone else, for that matter) is suddenly going to transform our entire offense into 40-50 passes a game. I will say it's possible and given the player you are talking about that certainly might have to be an option more often than not but that doesn't really seem to fit Canales style in general.

I don't think it's about passing 40-50 times a game.  I think it's about the times we do pass, we are threatening the whole field.

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

DO NOT TRADE DRAFT CAPITAL FOR ANOTHER LAME DUCK QB. 
 

we need a franchise QB, not another average at best QB. Wait till the off—season and figure out the QB season. We just wanted an answer on Bryce this season and so far we’ve gotten that.

I agree with this and said as much in the "QB trade" thread last night.  However, I think Jameis is the one exception to this rule, especially if we can get him for a 5th or later pick TWO drafts from now.

To me, that cost is MORE than worth the return we'll get in the form of expediting the growth of our pass catchers.  

But literally any other available backup QB in the league and anything other than a pick TWO drafts from now, and I probably then balk at a trade like that.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't think there's much wind left in anyone's sails at this point.  If you don't get to play in a functional grown up passing offense, it's probably going to suck to play receiver.

I don't think morale is going to be as big of an issue if guys are catching shots downfield and scoring.  Even if we lose because our journeyman QB is terrible about throwing picks downfield.

I don't think morale appears to be bad, do you? If that were the case, how have we won four games?

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, look at how frustrated AJ Brown was in Philly not getting the ball and they're 5-2 and have been one of the best teams in the league in recent years. Even if you're winning at some point if you feel like you're not being put in position to be your best individually then frustration is gonna start to show.

Yeah, that's a little different scenario. He was also pissed last year too about not getting enough targets.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, DeeJay said:

We have Hendon Hooker why not just play him at this point

You’d literally be running an nfl blitz offense. 

the only thing you want him throwing is PA da bomb flip

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, DeeJay said:

We have Hendon Hooker why not just play him at this point

Well, because he is fuging terrible.

[Castavar]

People act like this changes the gameplan for our offense lol It's still (or should be) going to be handing the ball off to Dowdle and playing good defense. Hell, Dalton might be good for 3 deep shots as well.