Bryce Young - High Ankle Sprain, out minimum 1 week

[Jackie Lee]

14 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Alot of that improvising is because Bryce won't take what's there in the 1.5 seconds. 

I think the talent we have at WR are good enough whereas Dalton can make those first reads, now if the Oline pass protection simply falls apart that could be a problem as Dalton is a statue back there. 

But we'll see this Sunday if the passing attack looks different than what we've been seeing so far this season. 

I think it's fair to give Dalton a full week of practice to prepare before really judging how he'll do with this updated receiving and running groups. Last year was different with the benching and already sucking ass. 4-3 and an actually injured Bryce should have him more motivated

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Bryce hasn't done a single thing to prove he deserves to have his option picked up.  I'd have less of an issue with us declining the option and bringing him back as the starter next year than I would have us picking up that option, as that means he's on our cap books for the next 2 years instead of 1, even if he's cut before year 5.

Tua threw for 3,500 yards with a 25-8 TD-INT ratio in just 13 starts the year before they picked up his option, and then threw for over 4,600 yards before they gave him his extension.

Kyler threw for 3,722, 3,971, and 3,787 in 16, 16, and 14 games (while rushing for 544, 819, and 423 in those seasons) before they picked up his option and then signed him to an extension before year 4.

Jones threw for 3,200 yards with a 3-1 TD-INT ratio with another 700 yards and 7 TDs rushing in year 4 before they signed him to his extension.

Bryce has thrown for 2,877 and 2,400 yards in 16 and 12 starts his two seasons, while being on pace for 3,128 yards in a 17 game season so far this year.

The closest comparison to any of them was Jones, who while he's turned it around this year, is someone I think everyone can agree was not a player who deserved that extension after that season.

If people think those other QB's having their options picked up and/or given extensions were a mistake, in what world can you look at what Bryce has done and make any rational argument for him even being brought back as our starter next year, let alone also picking up his option that would cost us about $27 million fully guaranteed.

I would caution that PURELY stats is not a completely conclusive argument against a 5th year for Bryce.

Looking at the whole picture does seem fairly conclusive in my personal opinion. 

All that being said, I really do think the wheels will have to come completely off Bryce the remainder of the year for them to NOT pick up the 5th this offseason. I also think if he misses significant time with injury is hampered by this injury it's going to create a lot of mental gymnastics in that FO/Ownership circle to get us to picking that 5th up.

Not what I would do but I fully expect it to happen.

[Jay Roosevelt]

54 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Testaverde had more arm left as a panther than Bryce does now. 

Oh, without a doubt. Vinny always did have a big arm, though.

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would caution that PURELY stats is not a completely conclusive argument against a 5th year for Bryce.

Looking at the whole picture does seem fairly conclusive in my personal opinion. 

All that being said, I really do think the wheels will have to come completely off Bryce the remainder of the year for them to NOT pick up the 5th this offseason. I also think if he misses significant time with injury is hampered by this injury it's going to create a lot of mental gymnastics in that FO/Ownership circle to get us to picking that 5th up.

Not what I would do but I fully expect it to happen.

You're right, his stats somehow are even better than how he actually looks when watching the games, which is remarkable given how poor his stats are.

That's the thing, we're 7 games into T-Mac's career and even though people see some things he needs to improve upon, he's had numerous plays already in just 7 games where you can look at him and say, "this kid has star potential"

Bryce was the #1 overall pick who 2.5 years into his career, has what, MAYBE 5 plays that make you say "he could be an average to above average QB in this league"

Most QB's have that in the first month of their rookie season, he just flat out doesn't pass the ye test even before you dig into his paltry stats.  Dart already has more plays in his 3 starts that make you think he has franchise QB potential than Bryce has in his entire career.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[Jay Roosevelt]

We finally have a winning record and y'all are debating about firing the head coach?

QB I can see; that's a legitimate debate. But if Canales has us at 4-3 despite limitations at QB, why is that a sign that he should be fired? If anything it's the opposite.

[T-Wazzle]

As much as I don't think BY is a qb that will ever get us anywhere...I am not looking forward to the slog that will be the Dalton led offense next sunday.

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

We finally have a winning record and y'all are debating about firing the head coach?

QB I can see; that's a legitimate debate. But if Canales has us at 4-3 despite limitations at QB, why is that a sign that he should be fired? If anything it's the opposite.

Canales doesn't have us at 4-3, I sincerely think we're 4-3 in spite of the job Canales has done so far.

We're 4-3 because we've played the 2 worst teams in the NFL, the worst defense in the NFL while they were missing their best offensive player, and an epically embarrassing performance by the Falcons.

You could make an argument that with better coaching, we should actually be 6-1 right now and I don't think that would be hard to justify.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I think it's fair to give Dalton a full week of practice to prepare before really judging how he'll do with this updated receiving and running groups. Last year was different with the benching and already sucking ass. 4-3 and an actually injured Bryce should have him more motivated

I think the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Dalton is more than a bit hyperbolic.

I expect him to be a slight improvement over Bryce but not some savior that's going to march us Nick Foles like to some divisional glory. He should perform adequately enough that he won't be the sole reason we are losing games.

That's my expectation.

[electro's horse]

5 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Oh, without a doubt. Vinny always did have a big arm, though.

He also still had all the qb weightlifting records at Miami. 

Obviously what was a “full squat”‘in the early eighties, and our idea of training has evolved a lot since then. And this was early 80s Miami so god only knows what kind of juice he was on. 

dude was an athletic freak tho

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Canales doesn't have us at 4-3, I sincerely think we're 4-3 in spite of the job Canales has done so far.

We're 4-3 because we've played the 2 worst teams in the NFL, the worst defense in the NFL while they were missing their best offensive player, and an epically embarrassing performance by the Falcons.

You could make an argument that with better coaching, we should actually be 6-1 right now and I don't think that would be hard to justify.

Eh don't discount the tema has improved. The Panthers of 2023 and 2024 would have lost to the Cowboys and Dolphins

[Jackie Lee]

Not much confidence in Hendon Hooker I assume 

 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

He's a backup because he constantly loses games for his teams with his turnovers.  I don't want him for what he can do and a QB, I want him because of what he can do for our WRs and TEs.

Bryce started 12 games last year and had 2,400 yards passing with 15 TDs.

Jameis started 7 games last year and had 2,120 yards passing with 13 TDs.  

Bryce has started 7 games this year and has 1,288 yards passing with 11 TDs.

If you don't see what Jameis, even with all his faults, can bring to this team because of his very live arm, then you're fooling yourself or just don't want to see it.

I don't want him because he's a weird rapist thief.

Trade for someone else. 

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Bryce hasn't done a single thing to prove he deserves to have his option picked up.  I'd have less of an issue with us declining the option and bringing him back as the starter next year than I would have us picking up that option, as that means he's on our cap books for the next 2 years instead of 1, even if he's cut before year 5.

Tua threw for 3,500 yards with a 25-8 TD-INT ratio in just 13 starts the year before they picked up his option, and then threw for over 4,600 yards before they gave him his extension.

Kyler threw for 3,722, 3,971, and 3,787 in 16, 16, and 14 games (while rushing for 544, 819, and 423 in those seasons) before they picked up his option and then signed him to an extension before year 4.

Jones threw for 3,200 yards with a 3-1 TD-INT ratio with another 700 yards and 7 TDs rushing in year 4 before they signed him to his extension.

Bryce has thrown for 2,877 and 2,400 yards in 16 and 12 starts his two seasons, while being on pace for 3,128 yards in a 17 game season so far this year.

The closest comparison to any of them was Jones, who while he's turned it around this year, is someone I think everyone can agree was not a player who deserved that extension after that season.

If people think those other QB's having their options picked up and/or given extensions were a mistake, in what world can you look at what Bryce has done and make any rational argument for him even being brought back as our starter next year, let alone also picking up his option that would cost us about $27 million fully guaranteed.

Lol, you don't have to convince me. The people needing to be convinced are Tepper, Morgan and maybe to a lesser extent Canales.  Fans don't offer/decline/void contracts as you know.  Tepper is crux of the dilemma. If Dave says Bryce gets the 5th year option, Bryce gets the 5th year option.  I'm not sure where Morgan is on Bryce, but more and more I'm convinced Canales wants his own QB, but he's the low man on the totem pole in that hierarchy. 

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Dalton is more than a bit hyperbolic.

I expect him to be a slight improvement over Bryce but not some savior that's going to march us Nick Foles like to some divisional glory. He should perform adequately enough that he won't be the sole reason we are losing games.

That's my expectation.

I think this is very fair. 

i also don’t think he has more than 2-3 games in him.