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Damning indictment of Bryce Young

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58 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I have no idea how anyone could watch Bryce play and come to an honest conclusion that he would "make more throws than" basically *insert name of another QB on an NFL roster*.

Dalton has literally made more throws over the same time period. And that isn't a glowing Andy endorsement. It's a damning statement about Bryce.

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3 hours ago, CRA said:

Bryce has played a big role often in our losses. He can lose a game in the first quarter. 

I agree  too, I dont think though its because hes a gunslinger.  Dalton in the late part of his career can do that and it can lead to turnovers which could cost us.  Dalton needs to not try to go out and win the game, just manage the game.

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50 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would say Dalton is Bryce +10-15%.

So, basically almost what you are saying.

Depends on which Dalton you get. We did this last year and I vouched for Dalton and he delivered. I don’t know what to think this year.
Not as confident, even thought the team around him is a little better I think. 

It’ll be all over but the crying in 24 hours. 

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3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I have no idea how anyone could watch Bryce play and come to an honest conclusion that he would "make more throws than" basically *insert name of another QB on an NFL roster*.

this is a disingenuous take.  Bryce isnt gonna blow yer mind with a 60 yard strike in stride like cam did to Ted Ginn vs the raiders (still one of the most impressive throws I've EVER seen, goes dramatically overlooked).  That said, something like his side arm tight window to legette last game is an impressive throw that I dont think Dalton makes AT THIS point in his career. 

Disclaimer: I am not a bryce dick rider.  He absolutely should have improved in SO many areas by now that he hasnt.  However, he is a middle tier QB in the NFL right now, denying that is just not being honest.  I would even agree he hasnt shown to be a franchise QB.  As of right now, his best comparable NFL qb to me is Alex smith.  A qb you'd be  alright having if he wasnt the #1 overall pick.

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Just now, Carolina Cajun said:

this is a disingenuous take.  Bryce isnt gonna blow yer mind with a 60 yard strike in stride like cam did to Ted Ginn vs the raiders (still one of the most impressive throws I've EVER seen, goes dramatically overlooked).  That said, something like his side arm tight window to legette last game is an impressive throw that I dont think Dalton makes AT THIS point in his career. 

Disclaimer: I am not a bryce dick rider.  He absolutely should have improved in SO many areas by now that he hasnt.  However, he is a middle tier QB in the NFL right now, denying that is just not being honest.  I would even agree he hasnt shown to be a franchise QB.  As of right now, his best comparable NFL qb to me is Alex smith.  A qb you'd be  alright having if he wasnt the #1 overall pick.

He's definitely not a mid-tie starting QB. Mid-tier among all rostered NFL QBs maybe.

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10 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

this is a disingenuous take.  Bryce isnt gonna blow yer mind with a 60 yard strike in stride like cam did to Ted Ginn vs the raiders (still one of the most impressive throws I've EVER seen, goes dramatically overlooked).  That said, something like his side arm tight window to legette last game is an impressive throw that I dont think Dalton makes AT THIS point in his career. 

Disclaimer: I am not a bryce dick rider.  He absolutely should have improved in SO many areas by now that he hasnt.  However, he is a middle tier QB in the NFL right now, denying that is just not being honest.  I would even agree he hasnt shown to be a franchise QB.  As of right now, his best comparable NFL qb to me is Alex smith.  A qb you'd be  alright having if he wasnt the #1 overall pick.

be just about every metric he is a bottom 3rd at best qb

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1 hour ago, Carolina Cajun said:

this is a disingenuous take.  Bryce isnt gonna blow yer mind with a 60 yard strike in stride like cam did to Ted Ginn vs the raiders (still one of the most impressive throws I've EVER seen, goes dramatically overlooked).  That said, something like his side arm tight window to legette last game is an impressive throw that I dont think Dalton makes AT THIS point in his career. 

Disclaimer: I am not a bryce dick rider.  He absolutely should have improved in SO many areas by now that he hasnt.  However, he is a middle tier QB in the NFL right now, denying that is just not being honest.  I would even agree he hasnt shown to be a franchise QB.  As of right now, his best comparable NFL qb to me is Alex smith.  A qb you'd be  alright having if he wasnt the #1 overall pick.

The issue is it's hard to make a career on 5-7 good plays a game and the rest being average to well below average. 

At this point, Bryce's issues seem to be....mostly Bryce. Not all, to be sure. But way too many.

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2 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

this is a disingenuous take.  Bryce isnt gonna blow yer mind with a 60 yard strike in stride like cam did to Ted Ginn vs the raiders (still one of the most impressive throws I've EVER seen, goes dramatically overlooked).  That said, something like his side arm tight window to legette last game is an impressive throw that I dont think Dalton makes AT THIS point in his career. 

Disclaimer: I am not a bryce dick rider.  He absolutely should have improved in SO many areas by now that he hasnt.  However, he is a middle tier QB in the NFL right now, denying that is just not being honest.  I would even agree he hasnt shown to be a franchise QB.  As of right now, his best comparable NFL qb to me is Alex smith.  A qb you'd be  alright having if he wasnt the #1 overall pick.

I also disagree on the tiers. Not to hang up on you I just put him like maybe bottom - uh let’s say we have 3 tiers. His normal game is bottom tier. I’ll give him the top of the bottom. 
he ups his game and he can move into the bottom third of the middle tier. 
If he wants to go any higher he has a few games coming up where he can prove he deserves that. 

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2 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I agree  too, I dont think though it’s because hes a gunslinger.  Dalton in the late part of his career can do that and it can lead to turnovers which could cost us.  Dalton needs to not try to go out and win the game, just manage the game.

Painful part about Bryce is he is sort of risk adverse and still implodes games.   It’s easier to swallow with a PJ Walker 

Dalton can probably muster up 1-2 games.   He is his too old and washed to have out there long 

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