Chicken or the Egg

[electro's horse]

12 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

before anyone says Bryce can’t throw the deep ball, explain what he did at Alabama? He can throw a ball deep. Why do you think he was a first pick and top qb prospect?

Why Bryce was a top pick is a question we’ll never get an answer too because everyone involved in that decision has every reason to lie.

as far as what he did at Alabama, he’s throwing to superior physical talent with superior blocking talent. There have been multiple breakdowns of his college throws and how he was never actually that accurate, at least in a way that would translate to the nfl. 

this isn’t unique to him. He just snuck through the draft process for reasons that are up to anyone to guess 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

 

I would also like to know why he was the 1st pick. Because I never had a clue. 

My guess. Brock Purdy and the S2 test. Mr Irrelevant Purdy had a breakout year and his S2 score was high and so was Bryce's and that test was supposed to be the end all, be all of QB tests where the Wonderlic was so unreliable. Remember, Stroud's results were leaked and he was being portrayed as an imbecile before the draft based on the scores. After their rookie season's when Bryce had one of the worst statistical performances ever and Stroud went to the playoffs, the S2 pretty much disappeared into oblivion as a determining standard of QB viability. 

[rmoneyg35]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Why Bryce was a top pick is a question we’ll never get an answer too because everyone involved in that decision has every reason to lie.

as far as what he did at Alabama, he’s throwing to superior physical talent with superior blocking talent. There have been multiple breakdowns of his college throws and how he was never actually that accurate, at least in a way that would translate to the nfl. 

this isn’t unique to him. He just snuck through the draft process for reasons that are up to anyone to guess 

He played in the SEC, he was still able to  throw the ball deep to WRs on a regular basis. It’s not like he was on an all star team playing against horrible teams every week. He was going against NFL talent in the SEC weekly and also playing against other ranked teams with NFL talent as well. You make it seem like he was throwing the ball off target by yards every play and the WR was good enough to make up for that. Football is too quick of a sport for that to happen. You got milliseconds to catch the ball, even the fastest players can’t move but a few yards in the time it takes for them to try to catch the ball.

[rmoneyg35]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My guess. Brock Purdy and the S2 test. Mr Irrelevant Purdy had a breakout year and his S2 score was high and so was Bryce's and that test was supposed to be the end all, be all of QB tests where the Wonderlic was so unreliable. Remember, Stroud's results were leaked and he was being portrayed as an imbecile before the draft based on the scores. After their rookie season's when Bryce had one of the worst statistical performances ever and Stroud went to the playoffs, the S2 pretty much disappeared into oblivion as a determining standard of QB viability. 

Yet the funny thing is if you look at Bryce last 17 games and compare them to Strouds, you see Bryce has been better and putting up decent numbers.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

Yet the funny thing is if you look at Bryce last 17 games and compare them to Strouds, you see Bryce has been better and putting up decent numbers.

In what world are bryce's numbers "decent"?  They are literally some of the worst in the nfl

Edited 5 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

He played in the SEC, he was still able to  throw the ball deep to WRs on a regular basis. It’s not like he was on an all star team playing against horrible teams every week. He was going against NFL talent in the SEC weekly and also playing against other ranked teams with NFL talent as well. You make it seem like he was throwing the ball off target by yards every play and the WR was good enough to make up for that. Football is too quick of a sport for that to happen. You got milliseconds to catch the ball, even the fastest players can’t move but a few yards in the time it takes for them to try to catch the ball.

He was definitely on an all star team. Look at Bama and Georgia's recruiting classes vs the rest of the SEC. In just Bryce's class, Bama and Georgia had 10 selections each of the 63 NFL draft picks. That's 1/3 of the draft class between 2 of 16 schools in the SEC and that's 1 recruiting class of 4. They have had the number 1 recruiting class 8 of the last 10 years and been #2 the other 2. You can't even pretend like Alabama is even remotely close in talent to the other SEC schools other than maybe Georgia. It's a landslide in their favor. 

Correction: in 2018 they had the 5th overall. Other than that, since 2014, it's been 1st and 2nd overall. 

Edited 4 hours ago by SmokinwithWilly

[electro's horse]

28 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

He played in the SEC, he was still able to  throw the ball deep to WRs on a regular basis. It’s not like he was on an all star team playing against horrible teams every week.

He was going up against teams that had nfl talent on them. Most of the teams in the nfl have a handful of guys that are gonna make it. He didn’t go up against UGA every weekend.

The SEC was VERY top heavy while he was in college. Alabama was better at almost every position, especially the skill positions, than almost every team he faced. And that’s true of wide receivers in general. There are more wr than dbs at every level of college football. It’s why things like the air raid work. 

[CRA]

29 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

Yet the funny thing is if you look at Bryce last 17 games and compare them to Strouds, you see Bryce has been better and putting up decent numbers.

CJ hasn’t been good this year…..yet still noticeably better than Bryce.   Better comp %, yards, QBR, QB rating, etc 

[strato]

32 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

He played in the SEC, he was still able to  throw the ball deep to WRs on a regular basis. It’s not like he was on an all star team playing against horrible teams every week. He was going against NFL talent in the SEC weekly and also playing against other ranked teams with NFL talent as well. You make it seem like he was throwing the ball off target by yards every play and the WR was good enough to make up for that. Football is too quick of a sport for that to happen. You got milliseconds to catch the ball, even the fastest players can’t move but a few yards in the time it takes for them to try to catch the ball.

Oh my goodness. I don’t have the energy for this but there is so much wrong here….

Short version is we have broken down how many ‘NFL’ players were in other SEC teams’ defensive units and yes, it basically was like an all star team playing regular schools. Talking players that were drafted from the SEC - just drafted not the ones that made rosters. And how many of them were on Alabama and couple of other schools compared to the other schools, and you will have SEC teams with maybe 2 to 4 drafted players and how many were on opposing defenses, all that stuff. 
I can’t remember the title of it but you were debunked before you even came up in here with this stuff. 
SEC is in no way the NFL. It just isn’t. 

Edited 4 hours ago by strato

[frankw]

50 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

before anyone says Bryce can’t throw the deep ball, explain what he did at Alabama? He can throw a ball deep. Why do you think he was a first pick and top qb prospect?l

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/478982-our-2nd-most-productive-wr/?do=findComment&comment=6953378

[strato]

37 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My guess. Brock Purdy and the S2 test. Mr Irrelevant Purdy had a breakout year and his S2 score was high and so was Bryce's and that test was supposed to be the end all, be all of QB tests where the Wonderlic was so unreliable. Remember, Stroud's results were leaked and he was being portrayed as an imbecile before the draft based on the scores. After their rookie season's when Bryce had one of the worst statistical performances ever and Stroud went to the playoffs, the S2 pretty much disappeared into oblivion as a determining standard of QB viability. 

Well, it sure wasn’t about his athletic skills or his physical attributes because not a single thing is above average in the NFL, and there are a few below average. 
So it was about the ‘legendary’ processor. 

[The Lobo]

49 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In what world are bryce's numbers "decent"?  They are literally some of the worst in the nfl

I understand defending players you like, I did it with cam, even in his second stint here. BUT, cam showed us how great he was, the games he took over, the mvp, the ROTY, the countless records he broke etc. so I always had hope he could return to close to what he was. I knew he was capable of that level of play. I’ve never got that feel with Bryce and I don’t understand how Bryce warrants the defense he is getting. I was open minded about him his rookie year, but it’s year three now and he hasn’t shown anything close to a number one overall pick. I seriously hope he does, I hope he proves me wrong, but he’s gotta get started, quickly. 

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/478982-our-2nd-most-productive-wr/?do=findComment&comment=6953378

Was just about to go find this. Bryce was never a deep ball specialist.

[strato]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

He was going up against teams that had nfl talent on them. Most of the teams in the nfl have a handful of guys that are gonna make it. He didn’t go up against UGA every weekend.

The SEC was VERY top heavy while he was in college. Alabama was better at almost every position, especially the skill positions, than almost every team he faced. And that’s true of wide receivers in general. There are more wr than dbs at every level of college football. It’s why things like the air raid work. 

You might have been in this discussion about this very subject not that long ago. We were breaking down the ‘NFL’ guys allocated to different SEC teams. It was real lopsided like you are saying. There very well may have been SEC teams that had one or two defensive players, at most, drafted. Not isolated but pretty common. 

Meanig the Alabama offense was often facing 9 or so players that went on to teach or sell insurance or whatever… 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato