Canales is telling us, but we aren’t listening

[NAS]

54 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Agreed. Same with those other busts. Those are hedged bets, not primary plan #1. Darnold wasn't the plan for Minny. Geno wasn't the plan for Seattle. Jones wasn't the plan for Indy.

Those guys just eventually became options due to attrition, trades or winning the competition. 

That's the way I want to deal with bust QB's. As a potential option after a camp battle or injury. Not as Plan A. That's just insane.

Agreed need a proven commodity as a bridge QB and bring in one of these young guys to compete. 

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

Panthers now average 0.32 ASS on deep routes (league avg: 0.28) and a 55% open rate on deep targets (league avg: 52%). They've racked up 28 deep completions (top-10) for 892 yards (8th), a far cry from 2024's bottom-5 finish. Young's deep accuracy sits at 48% (league avg: 46%), with 8 deep TDs (tied for 7th).

 

Key Panthers WRs on Deep Routes (Through Week 10)

Roster shakeup: Adam Thielen was traded post-cuts; Jalen Coker is on IR (injured early); Hunter Renfrow was re-signed as a slot option but sees occasional deep looks. McMillan and Xavier Legette (2024 1st-rounder) form the core vertical duo

 

.Team Total: 71 deep targets (12th in NFL); 30 completions (9th); 958 deep yards (7th).

Strength: McMillan's addition has flipped the script—85th percentile in single-coverage separation (per PFF). Legette's growth adds balance.

Weakness: Depth beyond the top two is thin; Renfrow provide YAC but not elite separation (group ranks 18th in deep YAC).

Comparison to Other Teams

Panthers WRs are now solid mid-tier, a huge leap from 2024's bottom-5. McMillan has vaulted them past teams like the Giants/Patriots, but they're not yet elite (e.g., trailing Eagles/Chiefs). (Min. 65 deep targets/team.)

 

Sources: PFF Receiving/Separation Reports (2025), Next Gen Stats, FantasyPros Advanced WR Metrics

this is called gaslighting with bad information.

they do not have 28 deep completions, and they are not top 10 in yards and completions going deep lol.     

did you ask AI do pull that info for you?  This is the problem w/ relying on AI.  It doesn't do a good job. 

[Waldo]

49 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

I bet he would.

I'm glad they didn't too

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, KaseKlosed said:

Panthers now average 0.32 ASS on deep routes (league avg: 0.28) and a 55% open rate on deep targets (league avg: 52%). They've racked up 28 deep completions (top-10) for 892 yards (8th), a far cry from 2024's bottom-5 finish. Young's deep accuracy sits at 48% (league avg: 46%), with 8 deep TDs (tied for 7th).

 

Key Panthers WRs on Deep Routes (Through Week 10)

Roster shakeup: Adam Thielen was traded post-cuts; Jalen Coker is on IR (injured early); Hunter Renfrow was re-signed as a slot option but sees occasional deep looks. McMillan and Xavier Legette (2024 1st-rounder) form the core vertical duo

 

.Team Total: 71 deep targets (12th in NFL); 30 completions (9th); 958 deep yards (7th).

Strength: McMillan's addition has flipped the script—85th percentile in single-coverage separation (per PFF). Legette's growth adds balance.

Weakness: Depth beyond the top two is thin; Renfrow provide YAC but not elite separation (group ranks 18th in deep YAC).

Comparison to Other Teams

Panthers WRs are now solid mid-tier, a huge leap from 2024's bottom-5. McMillan has vaulted them past teams like the Giants/Patriots, but they're not yet elite (e.g., trailing Eagles/Chiefs). (Min. 65 deep targets/team.)

 

Sources: PFF Receiving/Separation Reports (2025), Next Gen Stats, FantasyPros Advanced WR Metrics

 

[strato]

I am reading that stuff about 30 deep completions or whatever it was and thinking to myself, “what? Where was I when this happened?” 
10 games. That is 3 a game, do I need to look at each passing chart to count them? I guess so. 

[TD alt]

2 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

There's no real thing as a QB competition anymore. Hell, the one thing Rhule did right was trying to make Sam or Baker earn the #1 spot but all it did was dilute practice reps with the ones and caused excuses for failure. 

I agree somewhat, but there aren't any solid options, at least in my mind, so...

[Gapanthersfan]

2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

If you were handling business then players would not feel compelled to do so, Dave… but you’re just not good at this being a leader of men thing.

With every game that you play Bryce, you’re taking money out of 52 other players’ bank accounts. They’re either trying to make incentives on their current deal or trying to ball out so they can cash in on contract #2 which hopefully sets them up for life. I don’t think he even sees it that way. BY holds the entire team back.  

Purposely not putting the team in the best place to win is a gigantic F you to the entire team (coaches included). Starting Bryce at this point is an atomic bomb on morale. 

Edited November 12, 2025 by Gapanthersfan

[strato]

29 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

If you were handling business then players would not feel compelled to do so, Dave… but you’re just not good at this being a leader of men thing.

With every game that you play Bryce, you’re taking money out of 52 other players’ bank accounts. They’re either trying to make incentives on their current deal or trying to ball out so they can cash in on contract #2 which hopefully sets them up for life. I don’t think he even sees it that way. BY holds the entire team back.  

Purposely not putting the team in the best place to win is a gigantic F you to the entire team (coaches included). Starting Bryce at this point is an atomic bomb on morale. 

That morale bomb, you could see that early in the year with the defense I thought.  Then they pulled the Miami game out and it got better for a while. 

[strato]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We could've sent a 5th and 7th to Seattle in exchange for Howell and a 6th after seeing Dalton look completely washed for two preseason games but we sat on our hands. Not saying Howell would be our answer but 99/100 Panthers fans would be foaming at the mouth to see him start over Bryce right now if we'd made that move.

Which is exactly why it wasn't made, seems to me.  

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

Which is exactly why it wasn't made, seems to me.  

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. I just don't understand lacking options. If Bryce was out there killing it no one wouldn't be begging for the backup to play. If people are asking for the backup that kinda says everything about how your starter is doing.

[strato]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. I just don't understand lacking options. If Bryce was out there killing it no one wouldn't be begging for the backup to play. If people are asking for the backup that kinda says everything about how your starter is doing.

The adage “if you have 2 QBs you have none” comes to mind. 
And the last guy they need to be in the middle of controversy like that is little man. 
Allowing that to happen undermines the objective they were assigned which puts them in jeopardy. 
 

It works out for them either way if they don’t fug it up.  Either Bryce is better and shows it or he shows he is not the future.  They can survive either of those outcomes. 

 

Edited November 12, 2025 by strato

[toldozer]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

I bet he would.

I'm glad they didn't too

Then it's on him to fix it. No excuse for this team to slack off at all. 52 other guys have to know what they've got to overcome to win a game

[LinvilleGorge]

19 hours ago, Chaos said:

That man, and most NFL coaches, can talk forever and not say one fuging thing. 

I miss the Jim Mora interviews LOL

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17XB1fd8Dj/

 

[Jon Snow]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

my guess on that is....

Tepper hires people.  Often bad people.  He is nosey.  He is hard. I think he wants final thumbs up or down on select things.  But he largely lets bad people do their job....until he fires them.  I do think he was the tie breaker on Bryce.   

and I think Bryce Young was largely a Carolina GM decision.  Fitterer, Morgan and their team.  That's how we got him.   Tepper sided with their argument over Team Frank. 

I think Tepper gave Canales the thumbs up to part last season with Bryce.  Then I think they all sort of got blinded that he could be fixed and gave it a go this year.....after this mistake of allowing the return from the dead and miracle.    

I don't buy this unique only to Bryce argument that Tepper is tripling down on something that doesn't work.  That's not the Tepper way at all.   I think you got to fault the GM office the most.   I think that's the team w/ the most egg on their face and the most at stake in the BY argument.  And I also think, Morgan is merely here because David Tepper couldn't find anyone good that was willing to come here. 

I agree with everything you said.