Does Bryce deserve credit for game-winning drives?

[CRA]

Remember in 2003 when Jon Kasay was championed for all those big game kicks? 

does Bryce in some of those few games deserve some credit? Sure.  Some he didn’t even complete a pass in though.  

and of course, Bryce should get recognized for being a key factor in why we are so consistently trailing in games.  Without looking, he is easily the worst QB in the NFL in the first half 

[strato]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Remember in 2003 when Jon Kasay was championed for all those big game kicks? 

does Bryce in some of those few games deserve some credit? Sure.  Some he didn’t even complete a pass in though.  

and of course, Bryce should get recognized for being a key factor in why we are so consistently trailing in games.  Without looking, he is easily the worst QB in the NFL in the first half 

Like I was saying somewhere, it can be unfair to him as well. He did a legit GWD, that they tied it back up after.  And then did the actual one, in OT. 

He could have a drive like that, and some other QB handed the ball off a couple of times, and gets the same stat. Whatever side you view it from, it is inequitable.  

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[NAS]

2 hours ago, TN05 said:

Does Bryce deserve credit? - Tommy Tremble deserves the most credit here, but Bryce threw the pass.

Haha wtf you can’t discredit him for Tommy breaking some tackles after the catch.  The answer is Yes especially since he carried the team the entire second half 

[TN05]

39 minutes ago, NAS said:

Haha wtf you can’t discredit him for Tommy breaking some tackles after the catch.  The answer is Yes especially since he carried the team the entire second half 

I'm not discrediting, I'm pointing out it was one really good play from Tremble which was the right read. It would be like dismissing Jake and saying he didn't have anything to do with X-Clown. You give credit to both guys for a great play.

Edited 50 minutes ago by TN05

[PleaseCutStewart]

Give him credit for the game winning drives he has led. Also, realize that we wouldn't have needed a GWD in most of those games if he wasn't complete ass the first 3.5 quarters of the game

[Navy_football]

I mean if you're taking GWDs off the record because he didn't throw a pass, should we add a few where he took the lead or tied the game with less than a minute and a half left in the game, and the defense crapped the bed? Or if the WR drops a perfectly thrown ball that hits him in both hands and the stomach/chest area? Seems like similar logic to me. 

A lot of QBs get freebie GWDs. It's not just a Bryce thing. Dude just needs to keep pushing the ball down the field and stop dinking and dunking all the time. We know he can do it. He just has to know it. 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

I mean if you're taking GWDs off the record because he didn't throw a pass, should we add a few where he took the lead or tied the game with less than a minute and a half left in the game, and the defense crapped the bed? Or if the WR drops a perfectly thrown ball that hits him in both hands and the stomach/chest area? Seems like similar logic to me. 

A lot of QBs get freebie GWDs. It's not just a Bryce thing. Dude just needs to keep pushing the ball down the field and stop dinking and dunking all the time. We know he can do it. He just has to know it. 

No no no you are doing it wrong!

[ForJimmy]

56 minutes ago, NAS said:

Haha wtf you can’t discredit him for Tommy breaking some tackles after the catch.  The answer is Yes especially since he carried the team the entire second half 

It's a game you can play all day long.  The WR made a great catch in coverage so give them credit, or the WR got wide open so that's on him as well as the CB for blowing coverage.  Yes I know it goes both ways, but it's hard to discredit Bryce for much of anything last Sunday.  The Sunday prior and many others ones, sure there is plenty.  

[Navy_football]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's a game you can play all day long.  The WR made a great catch in coverage so give them credit, or the WR got wide open so that's on him as well as the CB for blowing coverage.  Yes I know it goes both ways, but it's hard to discredit Bryce for much of anything last Sunday.  The Sunday prior and many others ones, sure there is plenty.  

Jayden Daniels had a hail mary last season that was nothing but Terry McLauren making a play. Jayden just threw the ball in his general direction. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

It's just hard to evaluate performance in football because of all the interconnected factors that determine the outcome.  Individual stats like passing yards, rushing yards, etc give us somewhat of an idea of production.  But it's still dependent on how other players perform.

A win is the ultimate team stat, and I don't think GWD is any different really.  You can credit to the QB.  But it involves the entire team (including coaching), calls by officials, and sometimes even luck. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, strato said:

Like I was saying somewhere, it can be unfair to him as well. He did a legit GWD, that they tied it back up after.  And then did the actual one, in OT. 

He could have a drive like that, and some other QB handed the ball off a couple of times, and gets the same stat. Whatever side you view it from, it is inequitable.  

I mean, in a fair world, the dude you carry off the field for the GWD this past weekend.....is Tommy Tremble.    He took basically a nothing wide open check down pass and made the huge play all on his own.  I mean, if you are choosing to pin the final drive to win the game on a singular player. 

but instead, Bryce gets 18 GWD threads this week lol. 

 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, in a fair world, the dude you carry off the field for the GWD this past weekend.....is Tommy Tremble.    He took basically a nothing wide open check down pass and made the huge play all on his own.  I mean, if you are choosing to pin the final drive to win the game on a singular player. 

but instead, Bryce gets 18 GWD threads this week lol. 

 

Tremble is such a weird player.  I feel like he has the potential to be very good.  Already a good blocker, was pretty raw as a receiving threat but has some wiggle and explosiveness but he doesn't seem to get many targets.  I'm not sure if it's because we like to use him as a blocker or our other guys in Evans and JT simply have better hands or what?  

[csx]

Credit is not a real thing. There are wins and losses. You can give it to him or not and it makes no difference.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Tremble is such a weird player.  I feel like he has the potential to be very good.  Already a good blocker, was pretty raw as a receiving threat but has some wiggle and explosiveness but he doesn't seem to get many targets.  I'm not sure if it's because we like to use him as a blocker or our other guys in Evans and JT simply have better hands or what?  

I think he just kind of is who he is. Middle of the road TE. Nothing wrong with that, just don't want to see an Ian Thomas contract.