Jonathan Brooks parts of Joe Person Athletic article dec 8

[SmokinwithWilly]

I see Brooks as any other late round or UDFA at this point. If he makes the team, fine. If not, nothing lost. Nothing against the guy and hate his career has been derailed by this injury, but a great run blocking line can turn an average RB into a great RB and vice versa. Easy to get lots of yards as a back when you aren't getting 1st contact until 2 or 3 yards past the LoS. 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I'm not a fan of rolling with Chuba and Dowdle on sizeable contracts next year.  I'd rather let Dowdle walk and either sign another cheap vet or let Chuba be our feature back again.  

We don't know that Dowdle will be pricey. Remember we signed him for nickels after a 1k+ yd rushing campaign.

[ForJimmy]

33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We don't know that Dowdle will be pricey. Remember we signed him for nickels after a 1k+ yd rushing campaign.

I was under the impression this is a one year prove it deal.  He is in the top 10 in yards but even if he is mid for a contract, I'm not really interested.  He is starting to slow down at the end of the year like he did in Dallas. 

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I was under the impression this is a one year prove it deal.  He is in the top 10 in yards but even if he is mid for a contract, I'm not really interested.  He is starting to slow down at the end of the year like he did in Dallas. 

It is a prove it deal but he's sorta proving he can't handle the load all season. I dont know anyone will overpay for a back that can't carry that load.

[strato]

17 games with the kind of load where you gain over 200 yards a game even half the time there isn’t a back who won’t get beat down and that not show up on the field. 
I think the best answer is keep the OL strong enough for regular guys to run for gains.  Let people sign our one year wonders to the bigger deals and just reload. 
The only real inhibitor there is pass blocking. You have to have guys that are decent at it. 

[Basbear]

Most on the front page have it right. NFL is a meat grinder and each year around 300 players are replaced....They don't wait around, your replaceability is at 99%. Just the burrows, parson, Jackson, malhomes, garret, etc They are the only ones not worrying about getting dropped for some rookie....but give it time....30 years old is a fossil in the NFL now, barely no one is 32 unless you had elite skills in your 20s. Brooks is also at a high risk for all injuries given 2 years and 2 ACLs within 2 years. Odds are stacked against him, Panthers have to act like he's not on the roster until roster cuts....

[DaveThePanther2008]

I am hoping that he recovers and can be a serviceable backup to Chubba.  I really want to keep Dowdle but, it's a money crunch and you can't keep everyone.  We have Chubba so we'll probably let him go elsewhere.  Just hope it isn't in our division.  

Brooks has a great mentor in TD.  If there is anyone who can give him advice it's him.  I like that TD gave information on how he worked out and recovered.  

[Pantherxtreme]

7 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I was under the impression this is a one year prove it deal.  He is in the top 10 in yards but even if he is mid for a contract, I'm not really interested.  He is starting to slow down at the end of the year like he did in Dallas. 

The last two games of the season for Dallas, Dowdle had 45 carries and 176 yards how is that slowing down?

Panthers now have a rushing attack that can take over games, they need to continue this momentum if they planning to role with Bryce. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ForJimmy]

12 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

The last two games of the season for Dallas, Dowdle had 45 carries and 176 yards how is that slowing down?

Panthers now have a rushing attack that can take over games, they need to continue this momentum if they planning to role with Bryce. 

 

 

 

 

 

He had 3.3 yards a carry for 72 yards his last game against a Commanders team that was resting starters. His stats looked solid against the Eagles before that with 4.5 yards a carry until you realize the Eagles crushed the Cowboys 41-7 and he was getting chunk plays in the 4th when the Eagles were more than likely in prevent.  The game before that he had 23 yards averaging 1.8 per carry in a win against the Bucs. 
 

Now keep in mind he only got double digit carries once the first 4 games and it kind of shows he can’t handle being a feature back all year long. I’m not hating on him or anything just don’t want to pay him when I think we can get similar production for cheap. Our running game lives and dies by our OL. 

[Pantherxtreme]

38 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He had 3.3 yards a carry for 72 yards his last game against a Commanders team that was resting starters. His stats looked solid against the Eagles before that with 4.5 yards a carry until you realize the Eagles crushed the Cowboys 41-7 and he was getting chunk plays in the 4th when the Eagles were more than likely in prevent.  The game before that he had 23 yards averaging 1.8 per carry in a win against the Bucs. 
 

Now keep in mind he only got double digit carries once the first 4 games and it kind of shows he can’t handle being a feature back all year long. I’m not hating on him or anything just don’t want to pay him when I think we can get similar production for cheap. Our running game lives and dies by our OL. 

Dowdle averaged 4.4 yards and 4.5 yards in both games against the Eagles. 

He had a bad outing against the 49ers sure, but the week before that he averaged 6.0 yards against the Panthers and the week before that 7.3 against the Bengals. 

I'm not going to use a bad 49ers game sandwiched between some really great games as evidenced he was slowing down. 

He rushed for a 1000 yards in part time duty for the Cowboys and now with similar circumstances with the Panthers he has 929 yards with really 6 true starts. 

Is he bell cow back I don't think so as he wasn't in college nor as he been in his NFL career but that's not the nature of the position in the NFL currently most teams have a committee approach. 

But most teams don't have a guy that can take over games like either Dowdle or Chuba.

Good teams don't let good players walk I doubt Rico is going to demand franchise back money. 

Chuba's on pace maybe for 600 yards this season, he's only missed 2 games.

I dont want to role with that and the mystery bag that is Brooks and Etienne when we have back to back consecutive 1000 yard RB already in the fold. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Pantherxtreme

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Dowdle averaged 4.4 yards and 4.5 yards in both games against the Eagles. 

He had a bad outing against the 49ers sure, but the week before that he averaged 6.0 yards against the Panthers and the week before that 7.3 against the Bengals. 

I'm not going to use a bad 49ers game sandwiched between some really great games as evidenced he was slowing down. 

He rushed for a 1000 yards in part time duty for the Cowboys and now with similar circumstances with the Panthers he has 929 yards with really 6 true starts. 

Is he bell cow back I don't think so as he wasn't in college nor as he been in his NFL career but that's not the nature of the position in the NFL currently most teams have a committee approach. 

But most teams don't have a guy that can take over games like either Dowdle or Chuba.

Good teams don't let good players walk I doubt Rico is going to demand franchise back money. 

Chuba's on pace maybe for 600 yards this season, he's only missed 2 games.

I dont want to role with that and the mystery bag that is Brooks and Etienne when we have back to back consecutive 1000 yard RB already in the fold. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, Brooks is a very poor gamble as a backup and Etienne is a true #3 RB, by which I mean if he didn't play special teams he would be on a PS.

[CRA]

9 hours ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Dowdle averaged 4.4 yards and 4.5 yards in both games against the Eagles. 

He had a bad outing against the 49ers sure, but the week before that he averaged 6.0 yards against the Panthers and the week before that 7.3 against the Bengals. 

I'm not going to use a bad 49ers game sandwiched between some really great games as evidenced he was slowing down. 

He rushed for a 1000 yards in part time duty for the Cowboys and now with similar circumstances with the Panthers he has 929 yards with really 6 true starts. 

Is he bell cow back I don't think so as he wasn't in college nor as he been in his NFL career but that's not the nature of the position in the NFL currently most teams have a committee approach. 

But most teams don't have a guy that can take over games like either Dowdle or Chuba.

Good teams don't let good players walk I doubt Rico is going to demand franchise back money. 

Chuba's on pace maybe for 600 yards this season, he's only missed 2 games.

I dont want to role with that and the mystery bag that is Brooks and Etienne when we have back to back consecutive 1000 yard RB already in the fold. 

 

 

 

 

Did Rico have a bad game vs the 49ers or did Dave Canales?  Rico averaged 6+ yards per carry and Canales said he was trying to make Bryce a thing. 

and I think Rico being critical of Dave made Dave immediately go back to a 50/50 split.  Because from the jump, Dave went heavy Hubbard early after that game almost begging Hubbard to give him a reason. 

[Pantherxtreme]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Did Rico have a bad game vs the 49ers or did Dave Canales?  Rico averaged 6+ yards per carry and Canales said he was trying to make Bryce a thing. 

and I think Rico being critical of Dave made Dave immediately go back to a 50/50 split.  Because from the jump, Dave went heavy Hubbard early after that game almost begging Hubbard to give him a reason. 

Actually the other poster was referencing last season when Rico played for Dallas, he referenced a 49ers game where they held him check as evidence of him slowing down towards the end of last season, but that 49ers game was sandwiched between 2 previous monsters games against Cincinnati and the Panthers and followed by another monster gane against the Eagles. 

So I just didn't see the evidence of him slowing down. 

Bottomline we need rushed 40 times against the Rams regarded as the best team in the league and eclipsed 164 yards.

We're not capable of beating teams in the air consistently we need a dominant run game not mediocre, not just ok, but a dominant one that keep our defense rested and allows us to take shots in the passing game. 

[jtm]

I understand that the Panthers likely want to be very conservative with his recovery, but it is concerning that Brooks isn't doing full speed cuts after a year.  There is no rhyme or reason why some players get hurt all the time while others don't.  Also, some guys come back from injury with zero side effects and others are never the same.  I'm pulling for him, but this doesn't seem like a Thomas Davis kind of ending.