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Why Panthers’ Dave Canales won’t run a QB sneak with Bryce Young


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19 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Lets say Canales does call the sneak with Bryce and we dont get it....he gets dragged anyway. 

"Why didnt we just give it to Rico!"

Canales is coming up with creative ways to tell you he does not want Bryce as his QB.

yeah, I don't think he's dumb, just dancing around things best he can at the moment of being asked

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28 minutes ago, Moonraker said:

Where do we even go with QB if that's something they decide to pull the trigger on in the offseason? I have a feeling we are another season away from that becoming reality. 

Basically, we’re wasting time. We know how this all ends.

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4 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Basically, we’re wasting time. We know how this all ends.

Look at Arizona after they gave Murray that contract while looking to dump it now. He wasn't good enough before so no surprise it's much worse now their wasting so much cap space. Miami is struggling to reclaim being a toothless postseason team as a better version of still not good enough. 

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1 hour ago, Candler Cat said:

yeah, I don't think he's dumb, just dancing around things best he can at the moment of being asked

As OC. He needs to be prepared for this

he isnt

4th and less than a yard, any competent offense is going to get that 

there are any number of things he couldve done and he should be practicing them

 i dont lnow what more to say

i believe it is time for either a new OC.  A New backup.  We also can live with less than 180 and 1 TD from a starting qb

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1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

As OC. He needs to be prepared for this

he isnt

4th and less than a yard, any competent offense is going to get that 

there are any number of things he couldve done and he should be practicing them

 i dont lnow what more to say

i believe it is time for either a new OC.  A New backup.  We also can live with less than 180 and 1 TD from a starting qb

Why do you think he is a good oc?  I think Pete c passed on him for a reason 

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See...DC knows not to waste a snape on BY.... Do like Shitsburgh does...Rogers...holds his dick and watches the play and  someone capable of get a first down grabs the ball. If you cant get a half yard you don't deserve to win the game which is what we witnessed Sunday.

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I was talking to my homeboy about this as soon as RG3 said it. Bryce is way too small to sneak. And the way that defense was set up, I knrew anything up the middle would get obliterated. The pitch to Rico was the right play. Also, they havent practiced with anyone doing half yard dives. So insinuating try someone else other then Dalton (and that wouldnt have work but best option) wouldve been catastrophic because nobody had practiced it.

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4 hours ago, Waldo said:

Make 2 list, the things Bryce can do and the things Beyce can't do. One is long and the other short. Guess which this also falls into? 

I have never seen a professional athlete with so many excuses about why they can't do their job. At least it's hilarious.

Also, near the end of year 2 and they still can't figure out who to sneak it with lol

He's just now trying to figure it out.... now that we are basically eliminated from the playoffs. lol  What the hell have they been doing in practice the last couple of years?  

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why do you think he is a good oc?  I think Pete c passed on him for a reason 

I don’t see a compliment in there. He is not calling him good.

 

The criticisms of oversights and unpreparedness are valid. I just would like to see him with a real QB like most other people have, to see what it would be like playbook and play call wise. 

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5 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Aaron Rodgers standing behind his line last night looking on as his team is doing their version of the tush push, yet insecure Panthers huddle people get upset at Bryce... 

He's got a fractured bone in his left wrist. Having him not do a tush push into a pile is probably the smart thing. 

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