fug the HATERS

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If they make the playoffs i think it's inevitable 

I think it’s been inevitable for a while now. I just refused to see it until I saw it for myself yesterday. While he’s not the most imposing qb I have seen live and up close. He’s far from the worst I’ve seen in live action. Poor Andy man. He should have retired. There’s just something about Young that his teammates see in him that you don’t see on tv. He’s a stone cold competitor for sure. But I don’t know if that’s going to be enough in the end.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I don’t think anyone wants the team to do that. But you know what? There’s not a damn thing you or I can do about it. So I expect the worst but hope for the best. It’s all I can do. 

But talking about it doesn't make you a hater either. Unless we catch lightning in a bottle, we aren't winning a SB this year so what we do in the offseason matters. After 3 decades I'm over the feel good winning season then back into sucking. I would like a consistent winning team. If Bryce is part of that, great. If not, also great. Whatever makes the team better. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

But talking about it doesn't make you a hater either. Unless we catch lightning in a bottle, we aren't winning a SB this year so what we do in the offseason matters. After 3 decades I'm over the feel good winning season then back into sucking. I would like a consistent winning team. If Bryce is part of that, great. If not, also great. Whatever makes the team better. 

It is what it will be. I’m over bitching about Young myself. It changes nothing about the situation to constantly complain about him so I personally am not going to do it. I’m looking for another target because this one is played out and it changes nothing.

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It is what it will be. I’m over bitching about Young myself. It changes nothing about the situation to constantly complain about him so I personally am not going to do it. I’m looking for another target because this one is played out and it changes nothing.

Actually I'm more frustrated at the FO than anyone and have been for a long time. 

[GoobyPls]

7 hours ago, frankw said:

Is there anyone you don't want to diminish after this team win? This is just ridiculous. Come on. The foolishness here on the huddle revolving around our starting QB is definitely a two way street.

Nope I’m just stating facts, Bryce has his flaws but the roster around him is even more flawed. Idc how great the QB is it’s hard to put numbers where your best weapon is a rookie. 

[CRA]

37 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Nope I’m just stating facts, Bryce has his flaws but the roster around him is even more flawed. Idc how great the QB is it’s hard to put numbers where your best weapon is a rookie. 

It's always something.

Several of the best offenses in the NFL right now have meh skill talent around their QBs.  Patriots aren't putting up crazy O because they got off an ACL Diggs and not much else.  It's the QB and coaching.  Josh Allen is a one man show.  It's a special QB.   

Carolina needs a QB and an OC change.  One at a bare minimum.  

in division, Tyler Shough isn't outproducing Bryce right now as as a starter because of skill talent.  It's the playcaller and a QB that clearly fits in. 

 

[GoobyPls]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

It's always something.

Several of the best offenses in the NFL right now have meh skill talent around their QBs.  Patriots aren't putting up crazy O because they got off an ACL Diggs and not much else.  It's the QB and coaching.  Josh Allen is a one man show.  It's a special QB.   

Carolina needs a QB and an OC change.  One at a bare minimum.  

in division, Tyler Shough isn't outproducing Bryce right now as as a starter because of skill talent.  It's the playcaller and a QB that clearly fits in. 

 

Maye and Allen are two of the best QBs in the NFL right now. And Allen has a top flight o-line while Maye has a great OC.

 

Shough hasn’t proven crap, he’s played two of the worst defenses in the NFL and has around 40 pass attempts per game, he better be putting up volume yards.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Maye and Allen are two of the best QBs in the NFL right now. And Allen has a top flight o-line while Maye has a great OC.

 

Shough hasn’t proven crap, he’s played two of the worst defenses in the NFL and has around 40 pass attempts per game, he better be putting up volume yards.

Yeah, I knew that’s what you are looking for.  Top tier QB talent that rises all boats. 

Shough hasn’t proven crap but his team is crap….and 7 starts in he blowing rookie Bryce out of the water and producing more offense as a stater than year 3 Bryce does for his team.   4-3 as a starter and carrying big loads.  Which is relevant to the Bryce conundrum.   

Bryce haters don’t actually hate Bryce.  We want the Panthers fixated on building a great team.   And it’s the the key O spots that get you there…..which are weak links present day 

[GoobyPls]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I knew that’s what you are looking for.  Top tier QB talent that rises all boats. 

Shough hasn’t proven crap but his team is crap….and 7 starts in he blowing rookie Bryce out of bounds the water and producing more offense as a stater than year 3 Bryce does for his team.  

Bryce haters don’t actually hate Bryce.  We want the Panthers fixated on building a great team.   And it’s the the key O spots that get you there…..which are weak links present day 

So your argument is Bryce isn’t a top 5 QB?

I don’t care, Shough is almost 27 and is playing with more talented team than Bryce had his rookie season. Kellen Moore is also a more creative designer of offense.

[Fox007]

On 12/21/2025 at 4:40 PM, frankw said:

Man disappeared for months.

Wants to come back talking about haters.

Fairweather.

Yea unlike me. I disappeared an only come back to be like oh poo we won against a good team? cool now we lose against the worst. Panther poo.

Hoping BY hits puberty so he can maybe slang the rock with some umph moving forward though. Young fellas(see what I did there) otherwise playing well though besides BY. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

So your argument is Bryce isn’t a top 5 QB?

I don’t care, Shough is almost 27 and is playing with more talented team than Bryce had his rookie season. Kellen Moore is also a more creative designer of offense.

No, Bryce leads a bottom 3rd offense every season…..and individual contribution is also bottom 3rd. 

Shough’s situation is complete trash in terms of talent around him.   Folks calling the Saints more talented is the definition of how Bryce causes people to break their brains/logic defending him. 

and that was just an in division example as icing on the cake of much more clear cut examples of the Bryce issue. 
 

QB and OC.  Thats the golden goose.  That’s where we lack.  Bare minimum we need to address 1 next year.  Big picture, both 

[GoobyPls]

29 minutes ago, CRA said:

No, Bryce leads a bottom 3rd offense every season…..and individual contribution is also bottom 3rd. 

Shough’s situation is complete trash in terms of talent around him.   Folks calling the Saints more talented is the definition of how Bryce causes people to break their brains/logic defending him. 

and that was just an in division example as icing on the cake of much more clear cut examples of the Bryce issue. 
 

QB and OC.  Thats the golden goose.  That’s where we lack.  Bare minimum we need to address 1 next year.  Big picture, both 

Except we are not a bottom 3 offense. 
 

Saints actually have good pass protection, Olave who is better than any WR Bryce has ever had, and a creative caller. And he also has a good defense that doesn’t put him in holes every game.

 

We are not moving on from Bryce this offseason so keep wishing 

[mav1234]

9 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Except we are not a bottom 3 offense. 
 

Saints actually have good pass protection, Olave who is better than any WR Bryce has ever had, and a creative caller. And he also has a good defense that doesn’t put him in holes every game.

 

We are not moving on from Bryce this offseason so keep wishing 

If the saints have good pass protection you must really like the Panthers pass protection given how much higher their pass block win rate is, how many fewer sacks they've given up, and how much more time our QBs have to throw.

(The Panthers are about league average and the Saints are 30th in pass block win rate)

[Day1PanthersFan]

I just want the best for the Panthers

If I see someone who I think is holding us back, im going to call it out

Was people complaining about Rhule haters ?, maybe we should have all set back and went along with the status quo 

If you don't complain, it means you dont care,And are no real fan

I was a Bryce Critic, and am enjoying him proving me wrong, I hope he really makes me look stupid by winning Superbowl MVP with the Panthers, that's a dish of crow I would ask 2nds for