Canales' O - Year 2

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, PanthersATL said:

Year 1 2024 - benched bryce and got us more wins then we had in 2023

Year 2 2025 - got us more wins than we had in 2024. More wins than anyone reasonable predicted. Beat the NFC leading Rams and GB. Got a "we're in the playoffs" coffee mug, which 50 years from now will have the "backdoor" asterisk pretty much forgotten

Dave has certainly earned year 3. Probably year 4 too.    (that doesn't mean he should keep the OC role -- but we should expect he's sticking around as HC for a bit)

Well I guess that I was somewhat unreasonable because I predicted anything from 4-11 wins with 7 being my best guess. We got to 8, and really could've gotten to 11, I believe, if Bryce had actually continued to improve and basically continued where he left off last season. He didn't, and as has become customary, he pretty sh¡t the bed at the beginning of the season, caught a little spark in October, and pretty much played like sh¡t every other week since.

In my estimation, Dave hasn't necessarily "earned" anything from where I'm sitting, but I'm not opposed to giving him another year or two based upon the Bryce effect. Canales, to me, seems to be coaching down as opposed to making calls that make sense. If he doesn't feel that Bryce can do the job, then he needs to campaign for a legit backup plan. If we don't get one, then I don't expect we'll see any improvement next season, and Canales can be jettisoned with Bryce. We should have substantial and unquestionable improvement, and if we don't, changes should be made. If Canales can't be the catalyst for that change, then he doesn't need to be here.

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by TD alt

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, SOJA said:

totally agree

while I haven't gone deep into the x's and o's it seemed like when rico was flourshing we were running more outside stuff too and now that has died down 

further, it does seem like somewhere along the way rico got hurt, he just hasn't looked the same since midseason 

My preference also is just picking a RB and letting them be the dude. I don’t really care who.  Both Hubbard and Rico IMO are volume runners and lesser versions in a split.  Both IMO get stronger with reps and flow. 

[ForJimmy]

55 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Yea, but when you never apply ANNY pressure, you just bend, and bend, and bend, and bend and then MAYYYYYYYYYYBE dont break on a 3rd and 1 inside the 10, giving the opposition infinite time and limiting offensive opportunities.  We literally give up like 3rd and 20 type plays because our DBs are playing in the costco parking lot.

Who do we have that can pass rush? Our best one is a 2nd round rookie who was known to need time as a pass rusher. Evero made it work in Denver when he had some talent on his defense.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I think despite being a suspect playcaller…..he gets a solid grade for his big picture management of how to make the most out of what we have.  He has figured out the general managment of how to deploy things to find a close game 

Has he finally figured out preseason though? fuging A

[PNW_PantherMan]

51 minutes ago, CRA said:

But if good NFL defenses want to zero in and stop the run….it gets bottled. Tough to run your way out of that issue.  Pass has to make them pay big for that. 

Thats true at the NFL level in general.  You can’t just line up and dictate the game to the other 31 teams by running.  The talent disparity isn’t wide enough for that.  You have to be able to make teams guess with something in the passing game.

The Panthers are playing rock paper scissors but can only play rock.  If you can’t play paper against us then you get rolled by Rico.  But teams have caught on and are daring Bryce to throw now.

[45catfan]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

God forbid we interview mike macdonald or Mike Vrabel

Or Peyton or Harbaugh. You know, the retreads that dominated this year.  Tepper is market guru, but an NFL MORON!

[strato]

26 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The Panthers are playing rock paper scissors but can only play rock.  If you can’t play paper against us then you get rolled by Rico.  But teams have caught on and are daring Bryce to throw now.

Just responding to this last part. Yep 100% and why it took them as long as it did is points off for the slow ones. It was so obvious. I guess the run game had to show they had to pay attention to it. 

[Aussie Tank]

3 hours ago, PanthersATL said:

Year 1 2024 - benched bryce and got us more wins then we had in 2023

Year 2 2025 - got us more wins than we had in 2024. More wins than anyone reasonable predicted. Beat the NFC leading Rams and GB. Got a "we're in the playoffs" coffee mug, which 50 years from now will have the "backdoor" asterisk pretty much forgotten

Dave has certainly earned year 3. Probably year 4 too.    (that doesn't mean he should keep the OC role -- but we should expect he's sticking around as HC for a bit)

That's what I was meaning keep him as HC but get a proper playcaller in here 

[strato]

24 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Or Peyton or Harbaugh. You know, the retreads that dominated this year.  Tepper is market guru, but an NFL MORON!

Several factors there with an assortment of possible candidates Those two, way too stubborn and strong willed to control. 
And I think they had enough demand that they could ignore some possibilities that didn’t look great to them. 

Maybe, just maybe, no one wanted to try and run an offense with Bryce in the QB spot. 

I know there are a few that think Bryce is the man, stan, but that being a condition of employment would be a strong deterrent for a lot of people. 
edit: especially coming off of the insanity and failure that was 2023.
 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:03 AM by strato

[PanthersATL]

if Bryce doesn't show improvement in 2026, Dave still has an argument in his pocket of "give me someone else" to buy another year minimum

Just like why Evero was kept around, cant blame bad coaching if the players cant execute. But if you have the talent and still cant produce, thats a different story

[TD alt]

11 minutes ago, strato said:

Several factors there with an assortment of possible candidates Those two, way too stubborn and strong willed to control. 
And I think they had enough demand that they could ignore some possibilities that didn’t look great to them. 

Maybe, just maybe, no one wanted to try and run an offense with Bryce in the QB spot. 

I know there are a few that think Bryce is the man, stan, but that being a condition of employment would be a strong deterrent for a lot of people. 
edit: especially coming off of the insanity and failure that was 2023.
 

 

Honestly, I never thought about the fact that Harbaugh and Payton could've said (or at least thought) that Bryce has to go. At the time, Tepper wasn't going for that, and in general Tepper probably balked at seeding so much power after the Matt Rhule fiasco. In my opinion, he should've been able to see the absolute obvious difference, being that Payton and Harbaugh had had varying degrees of success in the NFL and Matt Rhule had not. I don't think Ben Johnson wanted any piece of Bryce either. You know, if you really think about it, we're still in a similar situation. If we were to axe Canales and force Bryce on the next coach (unless maybe if it were Nick Saban *LOL), then nobody of import will want to take the job. That would be a SMDH type of situation.

[strato]

11 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Honestly, I never thought about the fact that Harbaugh and Payton could've said (or at least thought) that Bryce has to go. At the time, Tepper wasn't going for that, and in general Tepper probably balked at seeding so much power after the Matt Rhule fiasco. In my opinion, he should've been able to see the absolute obvious difference, being that Payton and Harbaugh had had varying degrees of success in the NFL and Matt Rhule had not. I don't think Ben Johnson wanted any piece of Bryce either. You know, if you really think about it, we're still in a similar situation. If we were to axe Canales and force Bryce on the next coach (unless maybe if it were Nick Saban *LOL), then nobody of import will want to take the job. That would be a SMDH type of situation.

It wasn’t played up at the time because there was so much Bryce vs Green Bay and Atlanta hopium, and also because Tepper was raging the whole year and grabbed a lot of the attention. 
 

We had so many people who blamed the excuses and were willing to give him (Bryce) a pass on the entire abomination of a season. 
 

I wasn’t one of those but I was raging at Tepper too. 

Edited yesterday at 02:35 AM by strato

[Cpt slay a ho]

I don’t think people realize how much our division rivals have done to improve, I don’t think this season is a fluke but I’ve seen nothing to that indicates this is a replicable performance going forward by this team 

Dave has been outperformed by his dc who a year ago fielded one of the worst defense in nfl history, and this year had very little resources dumped into that side of the ball 

I just don’t get exactly what Dave does that can’t be replaced by any run of mill winning team oc, my hope is if evero leaves we can get a dc that can maybe carry the offense enough 

[cranky]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It matters because we're getting ready to go against an offensive juggernaut that drove against our defense at will last time. We won because of 3 key turnovers, 1 in the red zone, 1 returned for a TD and 1 to take final possession from the Rams. We also had 2 4th down TDs that weren't part of standard offensive game plan. That's what it took to beat them last time. We're going to have to do better. DC is going to have to be better. You can't rely on 3 TO, a defensive score and 2 4th down TDs to get you there. 

As I have already posted, we will not win if we go in with the same game plan as the last time and agree with everything you said. I just don't understand how the original post addresses any of that. All he did was post numbers illustrating how poor the offense has performed which everyone is already aware of.