Dan Morgan: Panthers will pickup BY’s 5th year.

[jamos14]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I see 2 2nd year players, 1 rookie, disagree about Geno, strongly, Murray is way better than Young and they still want to move on, but hey I will give you Tua.  So yeah my point stands

 

 

Enjoy being wrong again.

 

The majority of the league's media and NFL decision makers (including our own front office and coaching staff) know it's a no brainer to sign a 5th year option and see what happens.

 

But hey, keep up the good work with your hot takes.  

[TD alt]

35 minutes ago, NAS said:

We know what Jameis, Howell and Minshew are - not a long term option at all.

Davis Mills is interesting but such a small sample size.  Even Kyle Allen had a nice run of games once upon a time.  There's no proven commodity for starting level QB you can build around.  Malik Willis is the only one I would try to bring in for legitimate competition but he'll probably want to be a guaranteed starter somewhere else this offseason.

I don't know what Howell is. If I do, it's only by assumption based upon his lack of opportunities.

[woahfraze]

21 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I don't think we should spent $27m on a replacement level player.

I'm a Miami Hurricanes fan, so I have zero affinity for Howell, he's just objectively a better QB than Young.

Absolutely not. That’s too much for replacement level player. Bryce may be that. Or he may turn into something more. If you can’t see the flashes, you’re willfully blind. There’s more bad than good right now, but there’s less bad than there was earlier in his career. He’s only 24 and he’s showing signs of improvement. He may never become consistent enough to justify a long term contract, but he’s shown enough to roll the dice on what effectively will turn into a 2 year, $30MM contract for the next two years to see if he can earn something longer. 
 

Sure, in his one season starting, Howell managed to throw for 3,946 yards and toss 21 TDs, but it took throwing the ball an astounding 612 times. He also threw 21 INTs (for a particularly egregious 3.4 INT%). For all the talk of him being a deep ball thrower, he still only averaged 6.4 YPA, with an average air yards of 5.6 yards per attempt. And for all the excuses of Washington’s line giving him no protection (65 sacks taken that year), he was only pressured on 22.7% of his dropbacks, which is a few percentage points lower than what Bryce has had to deal with each year (24.2, 26.7, and 24.0%). 
 

These are all numbers that are at best roughly equivalent to Bryce’s production the past two years. It’s wild to me people can claim so confidently that he’s a better QB. 

[XClown1986]

1 minute ago, bandu said:

so u or anyone can just ook at Bryce Young's #'s & tell that he is in fact one of the worst statistically speaking starting Qbs in the NFL .so Dan Morgan would have to obvisouly think at this point that Bryce Young still has not reached his ceiling ? 

ladies & gents there is an alarming pattern here of just one project after the next whether it be  a very raw XL, DJ Johnson ,or Trevin Wallace , a RB with a torn ACL or one of the smallest players in the entire NFL with supposedly a super processor the list goes on & on where the Panthers have invested ALOT & got little in return from developing these players that they thought had high upsides 

when you start paying players based solely  off of potential rather than production then that's just bad buisness..just saying

The issue is the position Bryce plays. Finding a good/great quarterback isn't easy. Plus, it sometimes takes years for these guys to actually become good/great. What you have to look for is progress instead of regression. Bryce has shown that. Can he put it all together? We don't know yet. But that's why you place a smaller bet with the 5th year option, and wait to see. You could be wrong and lose your 30 mil bet, but you didn't hitch your wagon long-term and lose much more.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, jamos14 said:

Enjoy being wrong again.

 

The majority of the league's media and NFL decision makers (including our own front office and coaching staff) know it's a no brainer to sign a 5th year option and see what happens.

 

But hey, keep up the good work with your hot takes.  

we are not talking about the 5th we are talking about bryce being one of if not the worst starter in the nfl for the past 3 years.  Dont move the goalposts my man

[OldhamA]

5 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

Enjoy being wrong again.

 

The majority of the league's media and NFL decision makers (including our own front office and coaching staff) know it's a no brainer to sign a 5th year option and see what happens.

 

But hey, keep up the good work with your hot takes.  

I've just noticed your avatar. You're clearly a troll. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Smart move - now draft a developmental QB or sign a legitimate backup to compete and push him to be better.  Andy Dalton is washed and should be released. 

I agree with this, wholeheartedly.

Bryce tantalizingly has his moments, even his games. This past Saturday was one of those. He really became the Mouse that Roared after the team fell behind and the o-line started collapsing. And, in truth, I think had the play calling been better at the end, he might well have brought us back into another lead change. Talk about a legendary moment just missed.

I'm going to get lambasted for this but as a cautionary tale, I want to just say we're sitting at a spot that the San Diego Chargers were way back in the day. They had a short-ish QB on a rebuilding team that was underwhelming most games, but had some really good moments. They decided instead to take a gamble on drafting someone new and letting that QB, Drew Brees, go find someone more willing to let him develop. They turned around and had a draft debacle with Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers, ending up with Rivers in the end. We've got to remember that Brees wasn't who he would become at that time, it would take a coach willing to open up the offense and give the tough young kid a chance to grow. Rivers would become the poster child for the guy who almost was. Brees will get a gold jacket someday to go with the Saints only Superbowl win.

Bryce probably isn't Brees, only one guy was and he barely got the chance to be him. Giving Bryce another season, maybe two, on squad gives us the luxury of testing the waters and the growth. 

QBs early in their careers take time. We saw Rogers last night at the end of his career (maybe), sputtering out before he heads to the barn for his spot in the HoF and we have to remember him at his best, after sitting on the bench for three years. And we have to look at the other side of that coin last night, CJ Stroud, a draft classmate of Bryce's who soared out of the gates but who has come to earth since. He's still a good QB with a long runway ahead of him, but his performance under the big spotlight wasn't as strong as Bryce's on this particular weekend.

I'm not 100 percent sure Bryce will be the guy. I'd like to see some more fire in the young man, some push, something that shows he can force his will on the other team's defense.  I am, however, seeing a kid that can make the throws, who can improvise and who amazingly can run braver and faster than I really thought he could. I think he needs time, he needs more confidence and he needs more brave coaching. If he doesn't get that here, I think he might find it elsewhere.

And we'd find ourselves like the Spanos family, sitting on the couch in February asking Phillip Rivers to pass the chips during the Super Bowl commercial breaks year after year.

[jamos14]

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I've just noticed your avatar. You're clearly a troll. 

I've been here since the forum started IN 2008!    It's an X through Fitterer because I couldn't stand him.   Very troll like behavior.

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by jamos14

[Castavar]

As expected. Still no reason not to bring in competition via FA or draft. Bryce can be our bridge QB until we find ourselves a real franchise QB. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Castavar

[jamos14]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we are not talking about the 5th we are talking about bryce being one of if not the worst starter in the nfl for the past 3 years.  Dont move the goalposts my man

This ENTIRE thread is based on him getting a 5th year option.  

 

He has earned it.   

He's currently player with too much high/lows to justify a long term deal and to build around completely.    Even at that, he's better than many current starters.   

 

You are blind if you think he didn't have several extremely impressive games this season.   

 

I'm not blind.  He also had several terrible games.

 

You think he sucks and would never change your opinion no matter what you see on the field.  You are also wrong.

 

If he doesn't eliminate his clunkers then you cut him and find your next QB.  

 

No goalposts being moved.

[jb2288]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Well it depends on the price, if he's willing to get paid like the 20th best QB, I'm fine with a long term contract lol.  But if he wants top 10 or 15 money, nope. 

I’d be thrilled with 10-15. It’s top 5 I say absolutely no to 

[PanthersNCSU]

5th Year Option is good business 

Hear out what BY wants on an extension, but that's all the talks that should be had. 

Don't dare give him an extension, and hope he magically turns into the MVP and then re-set the market for all I care. 5th year, fine. Extension? No shot. 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

Dan just said a long term contract for BY this year is still an option.

 

When you listened to him speak to it the soundbyte sounded like a  long drawn out non answer. I think the only good thing to be gained by firmly saying it’s not an option is Huddle satisfaction. 
 

[TD alt]

30 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

Penix/Cousins

Fields

McCarthy

Ward

Tua

Murray/Brissett

Geno Smith

 

His good games have been elite level.  His bad games have been barely worth of a roster.

 

That's inconsistency.   Give him another year to see if he can level that out.  If not, move on.  

 

Putting McCarthy and Ward in there is a little disingenuous, but I guess we'll have to accept it considering the conversation (but not without context).

You better start looking at stats that speak to efficiency (e.g. passer rating, yards, TD-INT ratio). Don't confuse making it to the playoffs or going from the bottom to staying in the bottom third of the league as something to praise without some context.

Both Tagovailoa and Jacoby Brissett were arguably better than Bryce. They were more efficient QBs by most metrics that matter. 

The fact that we're discussing a third-year QB with the likes of busts, backups and virtual rookies should make you pipe down a bit in my estimation. I mean, I can accept the reality of the situation--the option is pretty much a no-brainer--but Bryce needs to improve greatly before I consider him a franchise-level starter.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by TD alt