We had Sam Darnold

[CRA]

Sam Darnold is still very much Sam Darnold.  That's been evident all season long. 

The Seahawks simply are a better team than the Jets and Panthers were. 

[KillerKat]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam Darnold is still very much Sam Darnold.  That's been evident all season long. 

The Seahawks simply are a better team than the Jets and Panthers were. 

Darnold is a great example of how much coaching matters. If Tepper didnt swing his dick around and forced Rhule on us, we mightve gotten a better coaching staff and Darnold would be a better situation.Tepper just fuged everything up. From coaching staff decisions, to QB decisions. We are still dealing with his last fug up in Young.

[ClawOn]

It would have been nice to see what Dave could have done with Sam.

[Chief Keek]

That experience he gained with Shanahan and McDonald is what elevated Sam. You could see glimpses of it here but the coaching he received in SF and MIN are the difference.

[frankw]

Darnold was never going to be the player he is now with Matt Rhule or Steve Wilks. But as has been stated repeatedly he always had all necessary physical tools to be a top 10 QB.

Anyways between the two current teams in the Super Bowl the bigger whiff is not just waiting another year and drafting Drake Maye without giving up a ransom.

We are in the position we are in because our owner was both impatient and desperate to win something in the eyes of the media. He made a big splash. The biggest he had yet. And it's been our biggest regret probably in franchise history. Now finally he is exercising patience but with the wrong guy. And there is a possibility we back our way into QB purgatory and sign him to a contract extension.

Ultimately it all goes back to Tepper.

[KillerKat]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

Darnold was never going to be the player he is now with Matt Rhule or Steve Wilks. But as has been stated repeatedly he always had all necessary physical tools to be a top 10 QB.

Anyways between the two current teams in the Super Bowl the bigger whiff is not just waiting another year and drafting Drake Maye without giving up a ransom.

We are in the position we are in because our owner was both impatient and desperate to win something in the eyes of the media. He made a big splash. The biggest he had yet. And it's been our biggest regret probably in franchise history. Now finally he is exercising patience but with the wrong guy. And there is a possibility we back our way into QB purgatory and sign him to a contract extension.

Ultimately it all goes back to Tepper.

There were a handful of QBs and we had our choice of them if we had not panicked and gave up so much for the worst pick out of the bunch.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

Damn if only we had thought to build the a top 3 defense to carry him to the SB. Oh well, live and learn, glad we re-signed Evero.

It might just be me, but I am detecting a sliver of sarcasm here.  

[ProcessBlue2]

Sam made his turnaround here when we started running the ball and letting him use the Play Action at the end of the 2022 season. I think spending time with Shannahan and O’Connell helped him dial that in.

[Chief Keek]

34 minutes ago, Chief Keek said:

That experience he gained with Shanahan and McDonald is what elevated Sam. You could see glimpses of it here but the coaching he received in SF and MIN are the difference.

I meant O'Connell not MacDonald.

[Bear Hands]

You either

1- Get the right HC/System & QB combination

2- Get the top-tier HC

3 - Get the top-tier QB

(All scenarios require a legit defense)

We could've had option 1 or 2 with Darnold but Rhule was simply the wrong hire.  Everything comes back to that.

Everything since that disaster has been overcorrections or correcting those over-corrections.  We're finally at a point where things have been reset enough to feel mostly past it, but it is hard to see the ramifications and what-ifs.  

Oof.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

You either

1- Get the right HC/System & QB combination

2- Get the top-tier HC

3 - Get the top-tier QB

(All scenarios require a legit defense)

We could've had option 1 or 2 with Darnold but Rhule was simply the wrong hire.  Everything comes back to that.

Everything since that disaster has been overcorrections or correcting those over-corrections.  We're finally at a point where things have been reset enough to feel mostly past it, but it is hard to see the ramifications and what-ifs.  

Oof.

We had two shots at #1. Hell, we had them on the roster at the same time. Darnold and Mayfield both.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

You either

1- Get the right HC/System & QB combination

2- Get the top-tier HC

3 - Get the top-tier QB

(All scenarios require a legit defense)

We could've had option 1 or 2 with Darnold but Rhule was simply the wrong hire.  Everything comes back to that.

Everything since that disaster has been overcorrections or correcting those over-corrections.  We're finally at a point where things have been reset enough to feel mostly past it, but it is hard to see the ramifications and what-ifs.  

Oof.

And timing is everything.  You don't build the roof of a house before you build the foundation.  Teams that draft #1 overall tend to go for QBs and put them in impossible situations.  Our coach sucked.  Our OL sucked (even when Cam was here, but he could overshadow that deficiency), etc.  They seem to have the idea down (Morgan?) but when Bryce gets paid, you can't have $100m going to the OL and $50m to the QB and still have WRs and a Defense.   We have to develop our talent and be prepared to let them walk and retool.  I am still a bit upset by the Horn CB deal.  Look at the salary we have locked up at OG and CB....Yikes. If it were not for MJackson and Coker, we would have been in deep poopie.  

I am still fairly optimistic, and I have accepted the fact that Bryce will be our CB for at least another season.  He is improving, but I do not like the fact that he needs so much investment in the OL and WRs to be average--before his mega deal.  I am hoping we draft an QB with potential to develop on day 3 and see what we can do with him.  Long shot, but some of the top names in 2024 are going to be taken late this draft.  Like Purdy (I wanted him around round 5 or 6), or Ewers from last season.  I like several QBs who may not even be drafted, like the kid from Vanderbilt.  I also like Mateer from Oklahoma.  Raw, but a year on the bench could help.

[strato]

1 hour ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Sam made his turnaround here when we started running the ball and letting him use the Play Action at the end of the 2022 season. I think spending time with Shannahan and O’Connell helped him dial that in.

My uneducated eye saw him as close after Wilks got him back in. Wilks was very protective of him I thought, didn’t rush him and didn’t ask too much from him at first. I thought he let him get his feet under him.

I will bet you Reich could really have helped him. Instead of making that trade and putting Sam out, we should have stayed with him with a real NFL coach. Reich was a good QB coach. You can call his offenses bland but he knew QBs. 
 

I have been so angry with the team.. mainly Tepper I guess, for forcing this unnecessary hardship on us. 

[TD alt]

For everyone saying "Oh, he wouldn't have ever been that here," Is that supposed to be a justification for letting him get away? No, it's an indictment on...well ownership. It doesn't make me feel any better, it just makes me reflective about development timelines, patience, team building and the like. And, for those saying that he is the same QB, well... that's laughable. He's obviously well-coached, confident and experienced. He's led two teams to consecutive 14-win seasons and is in the Super Bowl (and will probably become a champion). 

Coping doesn't have a home here. The Panthers fvcked up in so many ways.

Edited 2 hours ago by TD alt